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Continental Sterling Henry III Imitation Penny

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 Posted 07/23/2026  06:39 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Bacchus2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi,

I have this Continental Sterling Henry III Imitation Penny but I'm not sure if it can be narrowed down any more. I've scanned the excellent "https://sterlingimitations.com/" but can't seem to locate it.

The obverse lettering seems to be ?EVST?RV? Perhaps just a corruption of hENRICVS REX by an engraver who didn't quite understand what he was copying
The reverse has "ON LVND" quite clearly - but the preceding letters are not clear - perhaps a corruption of NICOLE

I do like these Sterling imitations.


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 Posted 07/23/2026  7:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Those legends are indeed intriguing (that's the polite version of "they're a hot mess").

I wonder if it could be a double strike, or a counterfeit?

The reverse is more readable, and because of the two crosses (though neither is quite a cross and might be an I or I' ?), it leaves options on where exactly to begin.
If I start at 1:00 I see + RON . LVNDe + RVNDG
If I start at 9:00 it's more like RVNDGI'RON . LVNDE

And the obverse is more difficult ... I see more or less what you do maybe eVST GVS ?

Only other thing I noticed is the scepter, which I don;t remember seeing on any of the continental imitations (but I have not studied them systematically)
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Thanks for responding tdziemia.

I kinda bought it because it was a "hot mess"

I think it's pretty certain that it's not a "real" henry III penny. It is made of good silver though.

With a little bit of imagination I think the obverse is hEVST?R (or G) VS REX with the EX behind the sceptre

I think the "ON LVNDE" part of the reverse has to be taken as the end of the legend so working back from that the preceding letters might be NVNDE?P (or R)

The engraver seems to have been quite excessive with the pellets in the central short cross. There appears to be an additional grouping of 4 pellets at 12 o'clock.

My general thoughts is that it is a Germanic imitation of a Henry III penny. A bit further away from the source than the low countries who had their own style (and generally knew what they were doing) but still part of the sphere of influence those Henry III high silver content penny's had.
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Bit of an update on this.

Apparently it is not an imitation in the sense of the many imitations that were around on the continent at the time - but a forgery imitation in the sense that no local lord authorised it but more likely an enterprising blacksmith/goldsmith/coiner who decided to do a bit on his own. The letters are quite well formed so it was clearly done by somebody who know what they were doing - but the poorly formed words suggests they were illiterate and were copying shapes and form - rather than the meaning behind them.

A knowledgeable person on another forum very helpfully filled in most of the spaces and is happy that I share it here for illumination.

Ob. CVSP CVSP (EX?) (where the P might be an R)
Rev. +PON•LUNDE+LVND

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Hmm. Given the otherwise weird CVSP CVSP and LVNDE LVNDE, I'm fairly confident that what we're dealing with is a coin struck twice with an approximately 135 degree separation; further indications of this are the two apparent royal beards at 2h and 6h on the obverse, and the otherwise out-of-place pellet cross at 12h on the reverse.

...at which point I wonder whether it's an imitation at all, or a legitimate (but double-struck) sterling penny, with [HENRI]CVS R/E[X] on obverse (with what seems to be a scepter base between R and E) and [...]ON*LVNDE+ on the reverse. Unfortunately the strikes being strongest in exactly the overlapping parts means that we might never identify the variety.
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Bingo.
And between CVSP and CVSP (which we now know are CVSR and CVSR) we see the second hand holding the scepter that goes with the 2:00 beard.



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Great detective work!

If that is the case then the moneyier's name ends in R (most likely)

The portrait has quite a pointy beard - making it likely to be John

If that is the case then it most likely is WALTER ON LVNDE

I think...




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