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Thank-you Panzaldi! Yeah, I agree about the last photo being much more clear.. it just doesn't capture the toning I wanted to illustrate - the electric blue / pink hues. Your 100% correct, about the video.. I will need to figure out how to post to YouTube and then provide the link here going forward.
Any thoughts on the distracting cheek / neck marks and do you feel it devalues this coin? Did I pay too much at $1400? I mean, I realize those marks are not in an ideal position - tbh, they are much more pronounced under magnification and though you could still see them, in the moment on the coin show floor... the toning it what kinda caused me from excitement to look past or be oblivious to them.
I still feel this is to be expected in PR63? They are either going to be on the devices or fields, but from what a read, these proofs were susceptible in some regards to many hairlines. To search for another 1892PR63 in better shape with toning might have took a long time.
I hope I did not pay too much, but would prefer an honest opinion. All the other Barbers at the show were $4,000, $5,000 and lacked the character that this coin has.
Thanks again!
Edited by DrapedBust1776 07/23/2026 09:34 am
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For what it's worth Greysheet retail is at 1100. The last two sales at heritage.com went for 976 and 840 respectively. There was a recent sale on ebay for 1500. All of these sales were for PR 63's.
Edited by adam126402 07/23/2026 10:11 am
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Quote: Here are a few more pictures I took tonight... still a nice view. Quote: When I say this coin is a chameleon, this one is so different than the others. Not a boring coin at all. There is an amazing variety from different perspectives! 
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Thank-you both jbuck and adam!! I appreciate your comments.
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Quote: Did I pay too much at $1400? the auction prices listed for PR63 are all right around $1000 however, these prices are several years old. PCGS lists a retail price of $1525 with 82 grade PR63. ebay shows on one PR63 sold and it went down for $1500 and really has no toning so. I dont think you overpaid for it
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Thanks Panzaldi
Numismatist student had me thinking because of the less than ideal placement of the straiations. I get that some may overlook mine, when its time to sell due to some distracting marks on the neck and cheek, however I feel like the toning makes up for it and those marks in the pics are exaggerated a bit due to magnification.
Thank-you everyone for your help and navigating this jungle.
Still wish I had an expert chime in on my coin specific to Barbers to give me a breakdown on the coin overall.
Thus community has been great
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Quote: Still wish I had an expert chime in on my coin specific to Barbers to give me a breakdown on the coin overall. i dont think the photos you presented lend themselves to a more detailed assessment of the coin. we dont have a good representation of the toning. lighting is causing shadows to assess the surfaces. the one obv photo looks like there are some good marks across the cheek and neck and maybe the cause for the grade assigned.
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Panzaldi, check out this reverse 
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please orient your photos. you are hurting the old eyes here. the reverse is pretty good I'm not seeing any major issues there other than the darker toning. Quote: Any thoughts on the distracting cheek / neck marks and do you feel it devalues this coin? these scratches are in key areas of the obv. these are the main reason why the grade came back as PF63. I think without them maybe a 64. you are correct that proofs tend to make marks in the fields more prominent. due to position of these it would affect the value of the coin. one final note on the toning. none of your photos are showing toning that would bump the grade. in fact the darker toning would be less desirable. the following is toning progression. comparing your coin to this, it is moving toward the later stages of toning. i dont know what else you are expecting. 
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Hello Panzaldi, thank-you for your response.
Not quite sure how my coin pictures hurts your eyes, but honestly I have posted then correctly oriented and some of them post rotated ?
Edited by DrapedBust1776 Today 4H 16M ago
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Toning, and the added value of toning, is always in the eye of the beholder, and this is a coin that probably needs to be viewed in hand to appreciate the eye appeal of the toning. Proof coins are always hard to photograph, and showing colorful toning is even harder. From all your pics, I think your coin could demand a premium for the toning, so what you paid seems reasonable.
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The only photo that really shows the toning as it might appear in hand is the TrueView (TV) image. Even then, TrueView photos are intended to showcase the coin and often enhance its appearance, so they shouldn't be relied upon as the sole basis for evaluating the overall coin.
Looking through all of the photos you posted, some provide a better representation than others. I do see the blue/violet hue you mentioned, and my comments have been consistent throughout the discussion. On 7/22 I wrote:
"Based on all the photos you presented, the toning is no better than average on the scale. The grade from PCGS is correct. If the toning had been above average, it may have pushed it to a 64, and I'm just not seeing that."
Then on 7/25 I added:
"One final note on the toning. None of your photos are showing toning that would bump the grade. In fact, the darker toning would generally be considered less desirable."
Those comments were simply my assessment based on the photographs provided. As Zurie also pointed out:
"Toning, and the added value of toning, is always in the eye of the beholder, and this is a coin that probably needs to be viewed in hand to appreciate the eye appeal of the toning."
I think that's an important point. Evaluating a coin from photographs is never an exact science. Lighting, camera settings, angles, and even the slab itself can all influence how a coin appears. I know how difficult it can be to photograph an encapsulated coin let alone a proof, and you did the best you could under those circumstances. Likewise, those of us offering opinions can only evaluate what we're able to see in the images presented.
Regarding the photo orientation, I'm not sure why they rotate when you upload them, but having the coin displayed upright does make it easier for everyone to evaluate the details. That's the only reason members often request photos in the proper orientation.
Thanks for sharing the coin and starting the discussion. It turned into a good conversation about both photographing proof coins and the challenges of assessing toning from images alone.
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