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I promise, these pictures were 100% oriented correctly...this site is a bit frustrating.
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I promise, these pictures were 100% oriented correctly  i highly doubt PCGS would have straight graded a coin with that many scratches on it let alone slab it at 66. here is the TV on the PCGS site and the scratches are not there.  |
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Panzaldi - they 100% DID and would.. I zoomed in on the "TV" picture and you can clearly see the scratches. Also, there are TWO coins there with major scratched on both. One is the 1897 your questioning and the second is a 1911. As long as the scratches are not post mint mark damage, they seem to let them straight grade on all types of coins. I just don't get why MY coin is being sandbagged. Here is the picture zoomed in for your review and you can totally see the scratches.   |
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Both of those coins are selling on ebay right now, thats where I found them today. |
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I will say, this IS the frustrating part with regards to photos... PCGS "dolls up" the archive "TV" photo to a fault... You need to see the true skin of the coin, otherwise what is the point? On the other hand, my camera and both owners of these barbers are at the mercy of THEIR camera when posting to sell... Any potential buyer that see's the ebay listing and looks at these photos would likely run away or likely do what I did.. and question it because relative to my coin.. they appear a lot worse. The reality is they may very well be worse, but our cameras magnify the blemishes and make them look way worse sometimes than they really are - even under 3X. Just food for thought.. Still believe, I could actually bump up potentially to PR64 after seeing the 1897 and 1911 however - especially with what I call early / mid life toning that adds to the eye appeal. Like we all have been saying, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, which is why their is an absolute subjectivity in all of these coins that are graded. |
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One more thing Panzaldi - I know you mentioned that you have been consistent in your eval of the toning.. however it has changed from your first impression - possibly due to how I changed my methodology and as a result, the progression of pictures, had less and less light in.. which in turn, represented the coin in a darker tone.. This is not really true to the coin's natural color and I would say the darkest the skin gets is around gun metal grey - perhaps a tad darker in some places. The electric blue and pink hues are representative of early / mid not end stage toning.
Here are your original comments:
"based on what I can see your coin would not be considered Amazing, I would place it in the Above Average toning box. it would not have added any bump in the grade imo.
here is some insight into how PCGS looks at toning for both MS and Proof coins
PCGS uses seven levels for toning: Amazing, Positive, Above Average, Neutral, Below Average, Negative, Ugly.
MS/PR68 - Must have positive eye appeal.
MS/PR67 - Must have above average eye appeal.
MS/PR66 - Cannot have below average eye appeal.
MS/PR65 - Cannot have negative eye appeal; can have below average luster/toning only if outstanding in all other areas"
Edited by DrapedBust1776
Yesterday 10:28 am
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You have a very attractive proof Barber half dollar. It seems like you want everyone to agree with your assessment, good luck. Back to your original question, Quote:
It would be greatly appreciated if you could weigh in on whether the toning here on this 1892 barber half (graded PR63 by PCGS) is considered monster toning. In my opinion, no, it is not monster toning. Regarding the grade, I think you have a high end 63. Send it to CAC? Just because there are less appealing versions on ebay, it does not mean yours should be graded higher. If YOU are happy with the coin, that is all that matters. I think it is a very nice example, and I would be proud to have it in my collection |
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Thank-you PSUMAN08
You may be right, and that is wrong for me.. I think it's coming from as you said, I know what the coin in hand looks like and then I have seen some comments get progressively worse as I added pictures.
It's fine really, people can absolutely disagree with my viewpoint.. I do believe I may have come off a tad differently though. Apologies if I did.
I prefer honesty of how everyone feels about the coin rather than appeasement.
I appreciate you taking the time to evaluate my coin!
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