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1941 Walking Liberty Half PCGS Submission Disappointment. Where Did This Go Wrong?

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After quite a while at PCGS, I glanced at my submissions before they've arrived and to say the grader was having a bad day was an understatement. At least three of my previously PCGS graded coins that I cracked came back a full numerical grade lower, I know, I took that risk so I really can't fault anyone else....but this one I can't wrap my head around. I had this at least gem and it's damaged? Where? Anyone else have an idea? Great luster? Came back as unc details damaged
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Did PCGS mention anything about wheel marks? I bought one slabbed coin that was Detailed using that term and I swear it took me about 20 minutes to find the small area on the reverse. Don't know how they spotted it, when they only inspect the coin for about a minute.
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I haven't actually received them back yet, but will in a couple days. Where would I find that explanation? Do they include something in the box?
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Sorry to hear the PCGS wizards disappointed you. Inconsistency in their grading is why I gave up on using them, sold all my Registry coins and have never looked back.


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and it's damaged? Where? Anyone else have an idea?


Image is way too small for me to weigh in. Hope you can find it when you have the coin in hand.
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My best guess are the black mark by liberty and around the rims. Doesn't look bad but that's the only thing I see wrong from the pictures.
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Hard to see from the photos, but maybe some minimal Wrapping Machine Damage at the top of UNITED? If so, that's incredibly picky on a gorgeous coin.
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I think this may be the damage PCGS noted.

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Came back as unc details damaged
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I think this may be the damage PCGS noted.

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FC, is that called damage because it's otherwise an unc coin? Would that be considered damage on say an XF or AU coin.

And is this also a difference in how the this series is graded compared to say Morgan's for example.
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Very strange. I'm not really seeing much wrong with it.
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FC, is that called damage because it's otherwise an unc coin? Would that be considered damage on say an XF or AU coin.

And is this also a difference in how the this series is graded compared to say Morgan's for example.




This is just my best guess. PCGS must have seen something and this is the biggest thing that caught my eye. They may have thought it isn't a bag mark, doesn't look like a minor circulation contact, and so must be damage. Their 98 code includes "any form of metal movement, either intentional or accidental." There clearly is some metal movement here, and it is in a central location on the obverse. It doesn't mean I agree with it, but that's the most I saw on my first look.

EDIT: PCGS also lumps corrosion spot removal under their 98 code. There are a few places where there is discoloration or luster disruption on this coin, but I don't see evidence of corrosion. Maybe they saw that differently. The areas I noticed were (1) the spot above Liberty's head on the rim, (2) between the top of the seventh sun ray and Liberty's gown, (3) on Liberty's upper right arm, and (4) the area above the stop between the "F" of HALF and "D" of DOLLAR.
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https://www.pcgs.com/cert/54923491

Full size images of the coin in TrueView.

I can't say that I understand what warranted a Details Damaged grade. Perhaps something was wrong with the edge?
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Maybe that particular grader was just having a bad day at the office?
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