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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Whoa guys lets just call it a UFO and leave.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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 If you spotted a UFO, you wouldn't go anywhere... 
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Quote:100% not PMD, merclover. I didn't think this through, you're right, it's not PMD, my bad. I was thinking of other times where we called PMD unknowns ufos. I was wrong, sorry. 
Edited by merclover 01/22/2021 2:44 pm
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Valued Member
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Merclover, thank you for helping keep this place drama free with that apology. It's what this forum such a great place to learn.
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United States
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This was quite the discussion. It's part of the reason I enjoy this forum. People are so much alike and yet so often different with their opinions. Ranging from PMD, to die issue. From lathe markings to UFO. In the end I think you have a coin with issues that do not surface often enough for there to be one definitive explanation. Such as a RPM. So that initiates thought, and discussion, and debate, which only helps in our learning and understanding of what intrigues us in this hobby. Great post. Great responses. Cudos to Merclover for her acknowledging an oversight and her apology in the post. Thanks all.
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Valued Member
United States
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I like "Crop Circles". Very mysterious.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Edited by Kloccwork419 01/23/2021 12:26 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Ok , I have done a little turning on a wood lathe but I've never used a metal lathe. That said , when you want to center some stock on a lathe you can drill a small hole in the end of your stock where you want center to be and fit it over a centering tool like this  At any point the stock can be remounted on the lathe using this point and hole combo. It sorta makes sense that if a coned shape piece of die stock needed to be remounted in a lathe the point of the stock would be fitted into a small hole to center it. Tighten the metal stock on the lathe and you have nice little circle impression at the center tip of the die cone that leaves a circle on the final coins. Food for thought
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Pillar of the Community
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Your scenario may have some merit. However, the rings vary quite a bit in size and are often not perfectly centered. While some form a smooth circle or semicircle, others are somewhat irregular or have irregular features extending from the main ring. Paired, concentric rings are sometimes seen. Given their variability, it's entirely possible that these die rings stem from more than one cause.
Error coin writer and researcher.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Whatever caused them, I still keep mine. There are several known years and denominations but compared to other varieties/errors, they are quite scarce. Since searching coins and these being "a thing" I found maybe 4 and my last one was in 2020
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I have had a lot of time to think about this circle on the 1988-P cent. Now for all the people who said it was POST MINT DAMAGE you are really not that smart and probably should go rethink what you actually know about coins. Post Mint Damage will always take away from the coin almost 100% of the time. If this was PMD the coin would be wrecked adding metal to a coin is extremely difficult and will always be seen especially as close as the one picture I posted got. It is clearly obvious this was on the die when it was struck. Now how it got there that is the magic question. Here is a page on https://www.error-ref.com/?s=1988+circle that references it. It shows a pic of one just like mine showing there are multiple out there. Error-ref dot com is a great website of everything you can think of that is on coins, could happen to them and anything you can find good and bad. So anyone new when they tell you post mint damage or Machine Doubling keep the coin, do more research and you will find out the answer.
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New Member
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Stoneman227 I was thinking about the same thing. Makes me wonder if the ring is supposed to be sanded away during the die making process and they just missed it.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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Excellent coin, congrats on the find, and I even re-read the whole thread.
BTW-That is the same link John1 shared back on page 1(?) and the coin in the link is the same as yours.
Words of encouragement are one of the major food groups. We need to consume them regularly to thrive and grow.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Great find!
Errers and Varietys.
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So it has been a few years since I posted this coin with a circle dead center of the obverse on a 1988 Lincoln Cent. To the members who said it is not PMD I appreciate the confirmation. To the others who say it can be caused by this and that and it is definitely PMD I hope you have learned more about coins since this was originally posted. I do admit I was wrong about a link I posted referring to how it was created. I actually posted the wrong one I meant it to be a different one. Water under the bridge. It was definitely minted on the coin when it was pressed at the mint. There is no way anyone is that good to put a circle dead center of the obverse. Plus why would they? It is just a cool coin that is not worth anything more than one cent. If it was PMD and metal was added to the coin after the fact it would not be raised, perfectly centered, not messed up from added metal. Anytime metal is added after the fact the coin would be damaged and it would show it. I don't think anyone is that good to add a tiny layer of copper to a zinc/copper coated cent and it not be wrecked after. Just think about it. That circle had to be on the die. It pains me to see everyone who thinks it was not on the die during the minting process when clearly it was. This is the link that I originally meant to post that mentioned the 1988 cent circle issue that names many different anomalies. https://www.coinworld.com/news/us-c...-nickel.html
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