Duchy Of Athens, William I De LA Roche / Guy II De LA Roche - Similar Coins

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Bacchus2 Pillar of the Community United Kingdom 2930 Posts	Posted Yesterday 09:12 am Hi, Below I have the images of two coins. Both have the same legends on both sides. Both are deniers issued around 1280-1287. + G: DVX: ATENES: Cross pattee within circle; crescent in one quadrant + ThEBE: CIVIS: Château tournois (stylized castle) However this is a very notable difference between them - in the style of the lettering. This one has the angular E shape while this one I got recently has a rounded E From what I understand the legends for both William I de la Roche and Guy II de La Roche are the same but this distinction isn't what makes it possible to tell the difference. It seems the E shape difference is just a die cutters preference - and both are possible for both rulers. My Papal States coin collection: https://diadumenian.com/Papal%20Sta...0States.html Medieval coins collection: https://diadumenian.com/Congressofp...0Europe.html Indian Rupee Collection: https://diadumenian.com/Congressofp...0Rupees.html Minor world Silver: https://diadumenian.com/Congressofp...20coins.html Report this Post to the Staff

jbuck Moderator United States 195557 Posts	Posted Yesterday 11:16 am Very interesting. Coin Collector Since 1978 Avatar Old Avatar 7070 Eisenhower Australia Canada World CCF Members on eBay CCF eBay Search Engine Report this Post to the Staff
Spence Moderator United States 34548 Posts	Posted Today 6H 2M ago Thx for posting an interesting comparison of letterforms on two Crusader Deniers. You might notice that the letter A is also different on the two coins, with the crossbar not present on the bottom coin. Other differences to note are the designs of the castles tournois (closed vs. open ringlets) and spacer punctuation. It looks to me like the attributions are Malloy 86 and Malloy 87a, but I'm interested to hear if you think differently. "If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb "The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz Report this Post to the Staff
tdziemia Pillar of the Community United States 8052 Posts	Posted Today 43M ago Likewise the G. The top one has the "lip" of the G curled back inward, the other one is blockier (though a bit obscured by wear). I've got none of the catalogs, and can't comment on the attribution question. Report this Post to the Staff
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