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Will Our Coins Ever Be Valuable?

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Picture yourself back in 1913 (that's the farthest I could get the inflation calculator to go back to) and you have a brand new red shiny Wheat cent, $0.31 today. Did anyone think to encapsulate it and save it for their great grandchildren thinking it might be worth over $100 later in numismatic value?

It seems as time has gone on, more and more people collect and protect their old coins and the mint sells new mint sets in uncirculated, proof, reverse proof, and silver proof in the hundreds of thousands. Do you think our coins will ever be that valuable 113 years later or will there be so many well preserved examples that they will never appreciate?

Ironically, many mint sets now sell below than what they were issued for at the time they were produced. Would saving a choice coin from the wild in mint-state condition and putting it aside for someone 113 years later be considered pointless?

Just curious what everyone thinks about the hobby as a looong term investment that their descendants could cash in on.
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"Investing" in collectibles, on the whole, is a foolish idea, because collectibles don't produce income, and can only ever deteriorate in condition.

But let's take a look at the world of stamp collecting. After the Second World War, for decades, so many people in the USA saved such a vast quantity of postage stamps, thinking that they would somehow appreciate in value like the rarities of the 19th century, that today (because of the declining number of enthusiasts) they are a drug on the market. Dealers have such vast inventories that you can buy sheets of stamps, from 1948 onward, often at less than face value. And I do exactly that, because I like to send mail with space stamps, and I'm willing to take the time and effort to put 83¢ worth of 1960s 5¢ and 8¢ stamps on an envelope.
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I've been a coin collector for over 50 years, and I've spent a sizable sum on my collection. But, I NEVER have considered it an investment in the monetary sense.
Yeah, it's an investment in my hobby. And as such, it has been worthwhile.
A few have increased in value, most haven't...or at least not enough to keep up with inflation. But, that's not the point.
It's impossible to reliably predict which of the bunch will beat inflation. So just enjoy the hobby.
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Picture yourself back in 1913 (that's the farthest I could get the inflation calculator to go back to) and you have a brand new red shiny Wheat cent, $0.31 today. Did anyone think to encapsulate it and save it for their great grandchildren thinking it might be worth over $100 later in numismatic value?

There were coin collectors back then. This can be proven by newspaper articles from 1909 that discuss coin collectors gathering up all the 1909S-VDBs out of circulation and how they very quickly increased in value once this happened. The absolute number of collectors was smaller but the proportion was probably not too much smaller than today.

So yes, there would have been people back in 1913 dipping their coins in lacquer to preserve them. Whether they thought they'd ever be worth $100 is another question.

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It seems as time has gone on, more and more people collect and protect their old coins and the mint sells new mint sets in uncirculated, proof, reverse proof, and silver proof in the hundreds of thousands. Do you think our coins will ever be that valuable 113 years later or will there be so many well preserved examples that they will never appreciate?

Ironically, many mint sets now sell below than what they were issued for at the time they were produced. Would saving a choice coin from the wild in mint-state condition and putting it aside for someone 113 years later be considered pointless?

Besides the overall increase in the number of collectors as mentioned above, there are four main differences between the collectors of 1913 and those of 2026.
- The quality of coins today is much higher. Back in 1913, probably 1/3 of all the coins coming out of the Mint were so badly handled by the Mint itself that they wouldn't have qualified as Uncirculated.
- The quantity of coins is much higher. Higher overall numbers inevitably means more high-grade specimens survive.
- The methods of preservation of coins are better. The epitome of coin preservation in 1913 was a thick coating of shellac and a mahogany coin cabinet, because transparent plastic hadn't been invented yet; cellophane had only just been discovered in 1912.
- The amount of information available to collectors is much much greater. Informed, educated collectors are more likely to put aside coins that are actually worth preserving.

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Just curious what everyone thinks about the hobby as a looong term investment that their descendants could cash in on.

I've often commented on the long-term prospects of the value of collectable coins. To me, it's simply a matter of the expectations of supply and demand.

Supply: coins gradually decrease in number, as they are buried in landfill, melted down, lost at sea or otherwise obliterated from history. So even the largest mintages can tend to diminish in terms of absolute numbers. For countries such as the US with a large number of coin collectors, the presence of those coin collectors can have a curious effect: the rarer dates are more likely to get preserved from casual destruction, meaning that, in the long term, the relative "rarity" of specific dates or mintmarks will diminish.

Demand: this is harder to predict, as it requires deep understanding of human psychology. But my reasoning is this: the demand for coins largely depends on the prevalence of those coins in a person's everyday experience. There are a lot of collectors out there today who collect nickels, dimes and quarters, and only a tiny percentage who collect half-cent, 2 cent, 3 cent, and 20 cent coins with equal passion. Why? Because those coins are all long obsolete - no one alive remembers those coins being used in everyday circulation - and they are thus of interest only to those of a, shall we say, antiquarian mindset - they like old, obsolete things.

If, as has long been predicted by certain pundits, our generation is the last which will see coins considered as a normal everyday experience as part of trade and commerce, then this generation will likewise be the last to see coin collecting as the large and popular hobby that it is today. And this will inevitably lead to a fall in demand. And if this does in fact occur, then that drop in demand will fall faster than the very slow, gradual fall in supply from loss and destruction - which should (if I am correct in my prognostications) lead to declining prices.

For evidence, just look at formerly popular collectables where technology has already caused the objects being collected to be regarded as "old and obsolete". Phonecards come to mind; back in the 1990s they were all the rage and became popular and valuable collectables. Then everybody got smartphones, public phones became mostly-obsolete and the few remaining public phones still around will accept ordinary credit cards and don't need special dedicated pre-paid cards to operate them. The phone companies stopped making cards, phonecards disappeared from public view, new collectors dried up, the demand collapsed, and now it's virtually impossible to give away a phonecard collection.

With the near-extinction of personal snail-mail and the global demise of government-owned postage services, postage stamps are rapidly moving in the same direction.
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Buy the things that decorate your life and leave the investing/gambling aspect of it to fate.
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Something I've definitely noticed in the UK is that whereas the really scarce modern pre-decimal coins like the 1951 penny (mintage 120,000) have held their value and probably outstripped inflation, the semi-key date coins that coin magazines were encouraging collectors to put aside have not, at least not in circulated condition. In the late 1960s and early 1970s many collectors were putting aside coins with fairly low mintages like the 1922 and 1949 pennies and the 1961 and 1965 Scottish shillings in the hope that they would increase in value. Nowadays when I look through a big bowl of coins in my LCS marked '25 pence each' I think there are more of these semi-key dates than the really common dates: while the high mintage coins went into the melting pot, a high proportion of the 'semi-key' dates have survived and there are now far too many of them around than are required to satisfy all UK collectors.
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