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Valued Member
United States
154 Posts |
I feel extremely fortunate. I met someone who has collected coins for many decades. Over the past nine summers, he and I have a place we meet and just discuss coins. During that time I not only learned how to grade coins, I learned about their numismatic value. He took me to coin shows, introduced me to dealers and they all suggested I buy books and start the education process. The three basic books are: The "Red" book, "A Guide Book of United States coins - 2012" by R. S. Yeoman (for basic wholesale trade values); "Grading Coins" by Q. David Bowers (learn the difference between a Fine and Very Fine grade, for example); and finally "The Official American Numismatic Association Grading Standards for United States coins," edited by Kenneth Bressett. For the past three years, I purchased commemorative coins because the market was good. However, since the spot price for silver went astronomic since last summer, most silver coins have risen to meet the demand. Commemoratives that were selling for less than $25.00 on ebay last summer are going for twice that amount now. (That price is justifiable for low mintage proof 90% coins.) I would recommend you start to gather a "legend" collection. Many collectors on this site purchase coins from the 19th Century. However, if cost is a factor, chime in on auctions that offer coins in the F to VF range and in recent years (1920's, 30's, 40's, and 50's) - pennies, nickels, dimes, and quarters in series from the same years. Put them in good holders, label them, and put them in a safe place. They will only increase in value. Bring them out and show your children. Include them with your buying, collecting, and labeling process. Years from now, they will remember it. I promise. Someday, you can hand over to your children a collection that you and they will be proud to own. I hope I was of some help.
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Valued Member
United States
60 Posts |
hesgut, I don't intend to use this forum to get into a debate with you, but in my opinion you were out of line when you called me out on my personal opinion about coin collecting to the newbie. Many others gave their opinions right along with me and I didn't see you chastising any of them for what they said. Now, that being said, there are indeed many offerings over the years from the U.S. Mint that have not been good long term investments due to huge mintages and product quality just to name a couple things. However, I believe there are exceptions to this, as do many other collectors. I think that the State Quarter program and other new coin programs have brought in MANY new collectors in the last 10 or so years, and combine that with some historically low mintages on certain modern issues, I and others believe that there is a good possibility to make a decent investment in some of these coins. You are surely entitled to your opinion about what to collect, what not to collect, grading standards, etc., but you were out of place for calling me out in this forum, and that's my opinion.
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Valued Member
United States
60 Posts |
Oh yea, an afterthought. Does the 1995-S silver PF 70 DCAM Kennedy follow the spot price or not, just wondering.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1302 Posts |
@shinystuff6
The problem with threads like this is that what the original poster asks about gets bogged down by a power of wills from more seasoned collectors.
I do believe that the very high end of the coin grading market is highly speculative. There is a clear multiplier effect in the perceived value of a coin based on the opinion of the PCGS graders.
I think Hesgut makes an interesting point as do you. Where I think all of us get it wrong is that we are expecting a beginner collector to be savvy enough to cherry pick bargains in a very specialized slice of the numismatic spectrum. I also think to some extent we are all rooting for our interest in coins and are putting that forward.
You are obviously right that there are exceptions to the rule about buying mint sets. Some of them have really gained in value and regard. But unless you are very well versed in the coin futures market- you are just buying blind.
Does this make sense?
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Valued Member
United States
60 Posts |
cc99999,
Yes, I hear what you are saying. I think all the suggestions to the newbie are rooted in what we ourselves are collecting, just as you offered your idea of collecting high grade commemoratives as a sound investment. What I objected to was the person who said my suggestion on what to collect was a "really bad idea". I have not been on this forum very long, and everyone seems very friendly and helpful. I certainly didn't expect to get called out on my opinion by another member, I don't think the original poster(newbie) intended for their question to turn into a negative debate on the subject.
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Valued Member
United States
60 Posts |
Buying slabbed coins by one of the top few grading companies is not a bad way to go for a beginner who wants to pick up some high grade proofs of modern issues, if that is what they want to collect. I have been involved with coins a long time, only last couple years been buying selective modern proofs. I prefer to stick with slabbed proofs myself, as the grading companies offer more consistency on grading, you still must buy the coin on its own merits, and not just buy the slab because it says so. With anything you collect, you need to study it and educate yourself to some extent, to improve your odds of getting it right.
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Rest in Peace
United States
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tershaffer -- I am new to learning about collecting. I have always stashed any old coins that I found. But now I am really interested in learning. I have been for about a year now and it has taken me that long to figure out what it is I want to collect. I just made up a little 'shopping list' for myself this past week.
It's hard to guess what somebody should get to leave their kids. Are they old enough to participate in the hobby with you? How much room do you have to store coins? I you have ten children and want to get each of them a mint set every year, you will need some space for that.
I agree with 'just carl' who said that the coins should be something that make them remember you. So maybe think about the important years in your life and get coins from those years.
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Pillar of the Community
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I think some people are being a bit sensitive. I have not insulted anybody or used profanity or made any conclusions about anyone's credibility as a whole. I simply made a rebuttal to your suggestion, which I still maintain is a bad idea. I believe you will find many people on this board who think recommending to a new collector to buy modern PF70 proof Kennedys is a really bad idea. If you wish to proclaim my posts to be a bad idea that's fine by me, I'll respect your opinion. You did offer a rubuttal, but failed to really address any points I have brought up, except a swipe about the spot price. Quote: Oh yea, an afterthought. Does the 1995-S silver PF 70 DCAM Kennedy follow the spot price or not, just wondering. Yes it did actually. Obviously that coin does not sell for the spot price, but yes, it did go up as soon as silver speculation increased. Most speculators I know think MS70s and PF70s are bad buys and will go down in value or at least not keep up with any general market upswing when one occurs. Modern Kennedys are also one of the least popular with collectors as far as current coin series go, maybe the least. I just thought it was a very poor recommendation to a new collector and I voiced that opinion. I stated in a much earlier post my opinion on what would be a good buy. Feel free to explain why I might be wrong, I won't take offense.
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Pillar of the Community
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Quote: and combine that with some historically low mintages on certain modern issues, I and others believe that there is a good possibility to make a decent investment in some of these coins. People have been wrong about this for 50 years. Whenever the collecting public sees a low mintage, they pick all of them up and cause a huge surplus of these issues versus demand. A low mintage coin will only be worth its purchase price if people didn't know it was low mintage, which won't happen. The only current coins that are literally rare enough to beat this are already so expensive as to not allow any profit to be made there either. Case in point, why do you think the 99 silver quarters are worth so much more than any of the other silver quarters. In 1999, most didn't want them. These opportunities don't exist after the fact. Unless you have a crystal ball letting others know what the future will hold, buying proof kennedys will leave you at a loss. Buying PF70 kennedys after the fact will leave you at a fat loss.
Edited by hesgut 10/18/2011 11:37 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
885 Posts |
So the answer to our questioner is...
There are those who are very passionate about how they collect coins.
There is not a lot of clear direction of what may become valuable when buying directly from the mint.
Precious metals are usually a safer bet but not a guarantee.
Beyond that, you may instill the same passion that my father did in me by buying your children mint and proof sets every year. Ultimately, they may be worth more than you paid.
You might even get lucky and get some rare error. (Highly unlikely)
Personally, I have kept every set my father gave me and I will never part with them. So what is their value?
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Valued Member
United States
60 Posts |
hesgut,
You can stubbornly keep defending your position that I suggested some "really bad ideas" to the newbie, just as I anticipated you would do. Who made you the "police" here on this forum? Am I the only one who needs to be concerned about you looking over my shoulder making sure that I say all the right things so as not to offend your view on collecting certain coins? And you think I am being overly sensitive, not really, just trying to drive home the point to you that what you did by singling me out and announcing to everyone that I give bad advice was uncalled for, but at this point I don't think that an apology is something that you do too often, so I won't be holding my breath for it. This is supposed to be a fun hobby, learning as we go, collecting coins for the love of it first and foremost. This debate is over for me, and as far your suggestion that I criticize what you collect or recommend someone else to collect, I won't bite on that.
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Pillar of the Community
1028 Posts |
Shinystuff
This is a discussion forum. A discussion forum. I never insulted you or implied anything about you. I disagreed with something you said and I very appropriately presented my point as to why. I am just amazed at how personally you have taken something this simple. It's absolutely ridiculous.
I left various posts in this thread detailing my ideas. You have left a post whining about me...followed by a very antagonistic one directed at me...then another one whining about me...and just recently another one whining about me with personal insults about my character included. What you have not done is offered any mature rebuttal or gave any new information to this thread.
I am embarrassed to have been dragged into a silly war with someone as immature and overly dramatic as yourself. All I did was disagree with you and present legitimate reasons why. This will be my final post in this hijacked thread
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Pillar of the Community
United States
666 Posts |
My recomrndation... Don't worry about appreciation. Find something that strikes your fancy and go with that. You're not going to be able to predict which set / series is going to perform the best but you can know with certainity which ones appeal to you now.
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