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Irvine Ranch in So. Cal.
Established in 1860, long colorful history of ownership, now owned by the County. Still waiting for an email from them confirming....not holding my breath, California laws are tough.
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vermontensium,

Wow, it would be great to receive a 'yes' to metal detect on this type of property or on any public park for that matter.

Have you or anyone reading this ever received permission in the past to legally metal detect on public or government-owned property?

If so, please indicate the type of organization that approved this search and the style/content of verbiage you wrote or spoke to gain the legally-conforming go-ahead.

I have been batting 0 in my requests to accomplish this feat.

thanks,

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To answer your question on Gov't owned property...never asked. I know state parks and National Parks are with a doubt, are off limits.

I already have permission, along with my detecting partner, mmorgan22, to detect a huge public park called Mile Square Park, built in the 40's.
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good luck!
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I'll keep you posted. This as historic as it gets out West.
Still waiting for the email from OCparks.
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Good luck! Hopefully you find me a morgan dollar aha
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;-)
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Well, here is my response. Seems very grey to me. Typical government response.

Are there any restrictions to metal detecting in any of the parks or beaches?

 

Yes, to turn in anything of value (a personal item lost) to the park office lost and found.  Example is that a wedding ring was reported missing and found 2 months later.

 

We also have the ordinances below:

 

CODIFIED ORDINANCES County of ORANGE, CALIFORNIA

 

Sec. 2-5-27. - Protection of natural, cultural, structural, and archaeological resources.

 

(a)  Plants. No person shall possess, destroy, injure, deface, remove, dig, or disturb from its natural state any plant or the parts or products thereof in any park, beach or recreational facility, except as otherwise provided herein. No person shall attach or affix any handbill, notice, sign or advertisement on any plant or part thereof in or adjacent to a park or recreational facility.

(c)  Artifacts. No person shall possess, destroy, injure, deface, remove, dig, or disturb from its natural state any fossilized or nonfossilized paleontological specimens, cultural or archaeological resources, or the parts thereof in any park, beach or recreational facility.

(d)  Minerals. No person shall possess, destroy, injure, deface, remove, dig, or disturb from its natural state any rock, mineral, geological formation or cave formation or the parts thereof in any park, beach or recreational facility.

 

Thank you for your interest in the Orange County Parks.

 

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sounds like you can search, but you have to "replace your divots", coins found are yours but if you find an axe head that might be from colonial days you have to turn it in
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Yeah, thats what I'm thinking. Maybe their way of saying digging a plug, is unlawful?
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be sure you take a printout of their email with you when you dig
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Hmmm, did you notice the word dig in each category? I think that's their way covering everything....California is so difficult to do anything...seems everything is protected, even a blade of grass :(
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If it is government-owned land, and it is an old coin, then it is considered to be looting under the law. Finding modern coins is fine, as is finding old coins on private property when you have the landowner's permission. The laws that were written to protect archaeological sites from looters cover metal detectors too. Sorry.
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I hear you. I had the opportunity to hunt for arrowheads and artifacts on my friends private property ranch in Arkansas. Found some very nice points and a stone bowl. I'm sure this is an archaeologists nightmare. I do plan however on donating them someday to the local museum there for all to enjoy.
I do have permission to hunt other areas of my area, looks like I'll be sticking to that.
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Oh oh I wanna come Ver :D

I never metal detected before but I wanna try it.

Have you ever tried any 1800s ghost towns or old gold mine areas Ver? There are some within a hour from me in Palmdale.
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I've detected some known gold areas here in So. Cal including the site of an old gold mining town known as Eldoradoville in the San Gabriel Mountains.
A few old square nails but no coins yet :)
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