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 Posted 06/12/2012  2:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add greenprint to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

interesting very interesting
doubling or tripling your money in 40 years from an investment is not good and dosen't even beat inflation. I didn't consider this. I however don't think I can do anything about that besides investing in other coins (that are already collected and scarce) or maybe precious metals. From what I understand savings bonds are actually pretty good investments, it's just that you like can't touch the money for the while and aren't able to use it in a emergency. I know that if the government can't pay you back you would be more worried about finding food and shelter. Although I know a friend who the government failed to reemberss his savings bonds so he dosen't have to pay taxes for an extend time period.

I however am appealed to hoarding massive amounts of coins because (although it's not risk free) I can't loose any money from it . Stocks may be the way to go but I don't know much about the stock market and now that it is a rather risky investment. I studied the great depression a couple of years ago in high school about black Tuesday and the lot. The great depression had a lot to do with people investing their a large amount of their life savings and then the stock market crashing.

I'm not trying to run a get rich scam just trying to make some more money for me with out losing any moeny and trying to really think if it's a good idea by doing the math and research and think that coins may be the way to go for this. I agree that rusty croaded zinc cents aren't exactly nice to look at but they would be worth more than their face value in like 40-50 years never the less. Wheat pennies rarely have their full color and have gone through some croasion but are still never the less valuable.

Actually ya I would imagine that lincoln memorial cents will be as rare as wheat cents in circulation within the next 40-50 years because they will be taken out of circulation. I'm not looking to get rich just to make some profit with some extra money I got. Wheat cents are always worth 3x their face value and worth more than one cent. You could tripple your money .

I think you passed the critical point on that piece of metal thingy. I'm not exactly sure but I believe between 100-120 years you start loosing money on coin that you could of put in the bank, 80-100 years your make the most. I guess I just don't like spending lots of money on coins that are already rare and scarce.
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 Posted 06/12/2012  3:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add enworb to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Seriously just put your money in the bank. You will find it much less of a headache.
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 Posted 06/12/2012  3:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add akane17 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If I would have bought 100 Hess Trucks when they were first released in the 1960s @ $4 each, they're worth $3k each now, that's 750x my investment. Should I now go and buy 100 hess trucks @$30 each with plans on selling them at $22.5k each in 50 years?

For all we know 50 years from now we can be mining a new metal/mineral from asteroids that will eliminate the use of copper, making those copper cents worth...a cent.

Or the Mayans were right and we are all only going to be here for another 6 months, so enjoy it!
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 Posted 06/12/2012  3:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not sure I would agree 1% interest in a bank account is the way to go. That is a sure loser even with the government's phony 2-3% inflation rate.
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 Posted 06/12/2012  4:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add greenprint to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not hoarding copper pennies for their copper content put because they are pennies that will one day be worth 2 cents, copper is not silver but a industrial metal. copper will probably go up sense we are in a recession right now, but it will most likely not become a precious metal over night due to it's wide practical uses

how many boxes have you gotten from one bank? do you think if I asked for 1000 dollars in pennies they'll give it to me?
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 Posted 06/12/2012  4:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CaptainFwiffo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you only triple your money over 50 years, that's about a 2.22% annual rate of return. That's not very good at all. Most investments do quite a bit better than that over the long run. Long run returns on stocks are something like 7%. Over 50 years, your money would multiply by about 29x. Even a conservative portfolio with lower risk, say half the rate of return (3.5%) would multiply your money by 5.6x.

If you feel that it's "safe" because it can't lose value (it's always worth at least face), you're wrong. It's worth less and less every year because of inflation. Even with current low inflation, it's still losing value. It's the same as stuffing cash in your mattress.
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 Posted 06/12/2012  5:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I admit I didn't read all the posts in this thread but only a couple of them but I never saw it mentioned why the wheat cents are worth 3 cent now, it has nothing to do with them being wheat cents, its because they are copper. The cents today will never be worth 3 cents because they are not copper like they once were so if you hoard $1000.00 worth of 2010 cents you will have $1000.00 worth of 2010 Lincoln Cents in 100 years from now because there is basically no copper in the coins. If you save high grade coins there may be a small premium but it will never be like the Wheat cent is today because of what I mentioned above
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 Posted 06/12/2012  8:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A pre-1982 95% copper cent currently has $.022 worth of copper in it at $3.35 a pound copper. A copper coated zinc cent has $.005 worth of copper in it, so not worth saving. A dealer in Phoenix is already buying $50 face bags of pre-1982 cents for $65. These coins will trade like 90% silver coins in the next few years.

If melting these was not going to be an issue, the U.S. Mint would not have put a ban on exportation or melting. Seems like there wouldn't be much teeth to this since it was not done by Congress, but I wouldn't want to test them.

Here's a link at the Mint regarding the ban. http://www.usmint.gov/pressroom/ind...lease&ID=724
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 Posted 06/12/2012  9:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nod2003 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you read the statement from the mint, it looks like the rule was for 120 days and would have expired 5 years ago
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 Posted 06/12/2012  10:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yep, I read that in the Mint notice that it was to expire in 120 days. If you do an internet search regarding the ban, there is no where that it states that it was lifted or expired.

This is currently on Wikipedia:

As of August 10, 2011, a pre-1982 cent contains $0.0258142 worth of copper, which makes it an attractive target for melting by people wanting to sell the metal for profit.[37] The US Mint, which is a part of the US Department of the Treasury, in anticipation of the business of melting down US pennies and US nickels for profit, implemented new regulations[38] on December 14, 2006 which criminalize the melting of pennies and nickels and place limits on export of the coins. Violators can be punished with a fine of up to $10,000 USD and/or imprisoned for a maximum of five years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penny...States_coin)

http://copperpricestoday.com/melt-pennies/
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 Posted 06/12/2012  10:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Merc Man to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Or the Mayans were right and we are all only going to be here for another 6 months, so enjoy it!


The Mayan calendar already ended. It didn't account for Feb. 29th every 4th year as leap year didn't exist at the time and therefore their calendar has already run its course. Sucks for people making plans based on the end of times due to the Mayan calendar.
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 Posted 06/12/2012  10:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add angel2004 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
But didn't the Mayans use the stars and planets to account for their calendar? I thought theirs was more accurate than ours?
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 Posted 06/12/2012  10:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nod2003 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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A dealer in Phoenix is already buying $50 face bags of pre-1982 cents for $65. These coins will trade like 90% silver coins in the next few years.


I kind of doubt they actually will for the simple fact that $1000 worth of silver weighs what, like 2 lbs? Even at a low price it would only be maybe 10 lbs. Currently, $1000 worth of copper is 300 lbs. I could see people putting away a small stash of silver worth a couple grand, but few are going to dedicate the energy to haul enough copper around to keep a similar value stash. It's easy to make a deal with a handful of silver coins. A lot tougher when you need a pickup truck to make a deal.
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 Posted 06/12/2012  11:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add enworb to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Captainwiffo has summed it all up perfectly:

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If you only triple your money over 50 years, that's about a 2.22% annual rate of return. That's not very good at all. Most investments do quite a bit better than that over the long run. Long run returns on stocks are something like 7%. Over 50 years, your money would multiply by about 29x. Even a conservative portfolio with lower risk, say half the rate of return (3.5%) would multiply your money by 5.6x.

If you feel that it's "safe" because it can't lose value (it's always worth at least face), you're wrong. It's worth less and less every year because of inflation. Even with current low inflation, it's still losing value. It's the same as stuffing cash in your mattress.

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 Posted 06/12/2012  11:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add angel2004 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I just keep all of the before 82. I don't go out of my way but just keep in a coffee can. Why not? Real money. Just like nickels.
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