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1819 Quarter - My First Large Size Capped Bust Quarter

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 Posted 08/03/2012  7:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add smokeriderdon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
GR, I would send it to ANACS and request they do the research on the coin. It costs extra, but still cheaper then NGC. IME NGC absolutely SUCKS with attributions, even common ones.

Definitely F12 IMO, with the reverse actually more like a VF. Very nice indeed!
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 Posted 08/03/2012  8:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Captain Morgan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
looks like a very nice F-12 coin to me.
Good find will look nice in your collection
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Smokeriderdon .. thanks for the reply .. and suggestion

Would you know how ANACS accepts coins ..
Can you send just one? (of course I am sure I could come up with a few more)
Do you have to join?
Can you mix types of coins .. gold, silver .. modern ..

I am not thinking it is a super valuable coin .. maybe $200...

I guess just curious what I have

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post it on the pcgs board, there are a few bust quarter guys on there, it may be nothing spectacular, or it may be. id get an opinion from one of those fellas first or if you dont want to sign up and all that, I will post it for you and and link the post here. or I could just link this post over there...
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yeah its a late die state of the B-3.. diagnostics are the die crack into star #11 no mention is made of the repunched 5 but the repunching is clearly visible in my reference. rule of thumb if a coin has alot of die cracks, it probably isn't scarce, in order for all those die cracks to form, those dies were overused, meaning that a large percentage of the mintage may have come from that die pair, there are exceptions to that rule, id say its a late die state B-3 which may or may not be sought after by the variety collectors, in my circle there are guys that will form a set showing just the progression of die states, from perfect to when the die most likely fell apart.
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I like the look of this coin! Get it graded by NGC
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yeah its a late die state of the B-3.. diagnostics are the die crack into star #11 no mention is made of the repunched 5 but the repunching is clearly visible in my reference. rule of thumb if a coin has alot of die cracks, it probably isn't scarce, in order for all those die cracks to form, those dies were overused, meaning that a large percentage of the mintage may have come from that die pair, there are exceptions to that rule, id say its a late die state B-3 which may or may not be sought after by the variety collectors, in my circle there are guys that will form a set showing just the progression of die states, from perfect to when the die most likely fell apart.


seateddime thank you very much for the research you did on my coin. It sounds like you have figured it out.

Can I ask what reference guide you like.


Because I have used NGC in the past, I am leaning toward sending there. But still looking into ANACS based on smokeriderdon suggestion.
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This is definitely a B-3 example of the middle state of Obverse 3 and late state of reverse K. Of the top 17 examples currently located, the census ranges from two XF-45 to a single MS-67. Rarity 1(over 1250 examples extant) on a 20 point scale from R-1 to R-8
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This is definitely a B-3 example of the middle state of Obverse 3 and late state of reverse K. Of the top 17 examples currently located, the census ranges from two XF-45 to a single MS-67. Rarity 1(over 1250 examples extant) on a 20 point scale from R-1 to R-8


Judd1552 - Thank you for your reply and your research.

I have no knowledge of the scale you are referring.
Are you saying this is a B-3 example and that there are
over 1250 know examples of B-3's? Is R-1 the most common?
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That is strange that the 7070 does not have this type of quarter (1831-38 is the earliest)...but my slabbed set could use one!
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The latest Bust quarter book Early Quarter Dollars of the United States Mint
references this reverse dies as Rev K curl base 2, 5 repunched, two periods. (There is a second fainter period above and to the right of the period after 25C )

Your coin is either die stage c or stage d depending on whether or not the crack up between the 18 extends into the field above the bust. I don't see it above the bust in your pictures so it is probably B-3c.

The scale he is talking about is the regular Sheldon rarity scale running from R-8 with 1 to 3 known, down to R-1 with over 1250 estimates. Normally it is referred to as a 8 point scale but it could be a 20 point scale if you count all the + and - steps in the scale R-1-, R-1, R-1+, R-2-, R-2, R-2+ etc through R-8+ which would be unique. The scale can also be expressed as
R-8 1 - 3 known Unique or nearly unique
R-7 4 - 12 known Extremely Rare
R-6 13 - 30 known Very Rare
R-5 31 - 75 known Rare
R-4 76 - 200 estimated Scarce
R-3 201 - 500 estimated Not so common
R-2 501 - 1250 estimated Common
R-1 1251 or more estimated Very common

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That is strange that the 7070 does not have this type of quarter (1831-38 is the earliest)...but my slabbed set could use one!


Now that I have one .. I am wishing the Dansco 7070 had a slot for it. I am really thinking about starting a slabbed set like yours .. I think it would be more fun to be flexible like your set.


Condor101 .. thank you for the very informative post, seems like I learn more and more everyday. With this coin being more of a common variety, their may be no benefit with having it slabbed.
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