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Novelty? Fraternity? Restruck Indian Head

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 Posted 08/20/2012  10:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wade to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
here is the reply I got from DYER & RATLIFF:


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Wade , My name is Rick Ratliff and worked for the company for 32 years
. The company closed in 09 due to economic struggles . The looks
familiar but we did alot of those types and it appears to be some type
of Fraternity coat of arms . The company was founded in 1890 and the
bulk of their business for a long time was Fraternity and Sorority
jewelry . Sorry I cant be of more help . Rick


i still feel a need to determine which frat/society it belonged to. it's obvious it's not one of the BIG coast to coasters, might be hard to find, but the journey is half the fun!
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 Posted 08/20/2012  5:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sjh241 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It could be from a frat/sorority that died.
Perhaps you can find a website for fraternity/sorority members (there are a few) and try posting it there.
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08/20/2012 9:10 pm
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 Posted 08/20/2012  5:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wade to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
its been posted (by someone else) on a secret society site (more like conspiracy theory site, but hey, there's people there who know something about the symbols etc) as well as on another coin forum.

and I also just recently put it up on a large 'greek life' site (huge forum specific to fraternities etc), getting some good discussion on translating the shield text

yes it probaly is a defuncto group - I've tried countless searches and scanned hundreds, if not a thousand, frat/society logos - and getting nothing similiar.
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 Posted 08/20/2012  9:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sjh241 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Would you be able to post the links for those two sites so some of us could follow the discussion?
I am really interested to see what is being discussed. After living quite a few years in Greece, and also being from a college fraternity, I find the story of your token very interesting.
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 Posted 08/21/2012  12:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wade to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/s...#post2169629

(above) someone claiming it is a high school fraternity Beta Phi Sigma (now world wide), still waiting for some confirmation.

another minor thread:

http://www.cointalk.com/t212052/

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 Posted 08/21/2012  09:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sjh241 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I find the first forums poster as interesting because of the source that he has (the book), but I would really like to know how he translates the word on the token.
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 Posted 08/21/2012  11:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RogerRamjet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The shield description of the Indiana-based Beta Phi Sigma high school fraternity from that contemporary (1912) reference is a near-perfect match. It says "its coat of arms which alone may be used on jewelry or stationery, consists of a Shield crossed by a band having the Fraternity name written in Greek, in the upper portion of the shield, four stars, and in the lower three. The whole is surmounted by a skull, profile view." Together with the direct connection to Indiana and the correct time period, it's a solved mystery. I agree that it's really difficult to see "BetaPhiSigma" translated to Greek in the inscription but, given the other evidence, it's close enough. It should be something like BήταΦιΣίγμα. Keeping in mind that most folks in the US are Greek-illiterate, ant that the jewelry company may have been working from notes written by a high school student, it's not surprising that the μ in Sigma looks like an η (wrong side of letter extended below baseline) or that the ι in phi is accented and the ι in Sigma is not (should be reversed). You've got to squint to see a beta though. The G could be closed to form a sloppy B. The last letter in beta is a pretty clear alpha. The mark before the alpha looks like an uncrossed tau (uncrossed t's are very common in English). Closing the top of the three remaining marks would form the ή. That's very sloppy but consistent with the errors seen elsewhere in the name.
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 Posted 08/21/2012  6:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wade to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The book that was quoted was published in 1912, it is possible this piece is from a fraternity chapter that was added after that date.
The text may be a motto, code, or membership rank etc and not necessarily the fraternity's official original name.

i am going with CASED CLOSED on this one.


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08/21/2012 8:39 pm
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 Posted 08/21/2012  8:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sjh241 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This was an interesting token. Good luck with it.
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