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Proposed RCM Resolutions For 2013

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 Posted 01/02/2013  2:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kuh_85 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I whole-heartedly agree with the OP!
Still waiting for my Brock quarters though (ordered 15 Oct!) Just got my rose-breasted grosbeak before Xmas (ordered 02 Apr). My wife has produced babies faster than that!
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 Posted 01/06/2013  8:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add canadian_coins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Commons, great post as always.

I would be more aggressive in terms of the silly secrecy that surrounds each release of new coins which IMO should be public domain from day 1. There is something deeply troubling about the whole release process that typically favors coin flippers and such.

It is one thing to set aside some coins for the MC elite but denying general public, beginners, or younger collectors from buying is unacceptable - period. The notion of first come first serve should apply in favor of the collectors Vs dealers.

Shipping delay is also a major problem. I think this is because they produce too many different varieties. The RCM has lost focus.

Next thing for me is, quality. I feel like I'm the only one complaining about the ridiculously heavy frost which destroys (hides) all fine details of the coin.

NCLT should be subtle... as a refresher, see the below comparison:

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 Posted 01/06/2013  9:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add canuck1us to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
canadian_coins> Excellent comparison photos!

Wish the RCM would take heed to your suggestions and many of the others on here.
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 Posted 01/06/2013  9:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aarf to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very well said and this is an excellent thread for the RCM...
and I too hope someone will see this and hopefully heed the productive feedback.

I have my next order for the RCM created as a draft but I am still on the fence as I am not sure I will purchase anymore NCLT's in the next lil while just because of their last years performance.
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Excellent comparative photos on the frosting. Is this a result of the switch from sandblasting to laser etching? Or has the etching simply become more aggressive?

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 Posted 01/06/2013  10:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add commems to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@canadian_coins: Terrific images â€" they illustrate your point exceptionally well!

It's truly a shame that the production methods currently in use by the RCM are detracting from what are often very attractive designs. I'm not sure why the current methods were put in place, but my guess would be that it had more to do with trying to create coins that generate a favorable first (superficial) impression via a high contrast appearance rather than creating coins with detailed aesthetics that merit an enduring appreciation.

Production economics may be another factor driving the change.

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commems, a little of column A and a little of column B. Though probably the cost reduction is most important.

Bolding added for emphasis.

From their literature about SM&RT laser technology.

BENEFITS
• Laser frosting can quickly create infinite frosting designs,
styles and textures when compared to standard finishing
techniques
• Significant savings when compared to the labour intensive
process of frosting manually (traditional sandblasting)

• Ideal for applications on flat and undulating (wavy) surfaces
• Artistic texturing to elevate designs to new heights

And a video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7Qyjz8BF-Q

http://www.mint.ca/store/mint/about...eid=SMART_EN
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Excellent info! Thanks much for making me aware of it!

Am I correct in thinking that this laser frosting technology is behind the multi-textured proof coins that have been issued recently? For example, the 2012 Calgary Stampede dollar featured multiple finishes on the reverse's cowboy and bucking bronco that almost gave the appearance of slight color variations. It was impressive to see on a traditional (i.e., non-bedazzled) silver coin. I think it is a terrific technique and hope the RCM continues to perfect it.

That said, I also hope that the use of such a wonderful new technology does not take precedence over retaining strong design details on future releases.

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 Posted 01/06/2013  11:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CC-Ottawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not sure if the laser tech is used for those multi textured coins (though it seems likely) but the FOBA laser is definitely used for the new loonie and toonie security features in addition to numismatic coins.

http://www.fobalaser.com/industry-s...nt-industry/

See examples 4&5.
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I agree with most of your points, especailly the points on delays and pre-release sellouts.

NO coin should have less than half its total mintage reserved for release day general sales.

I would like to add that the Mint needs to take ownership of the "milk spot" problem, and correct it.
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not happy when see the difference btw 2009 & 2012 obverse
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