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Price Gouging At A Coin Show

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 Posted 05/24/2007  10:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thq to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I made the tail end of a Chicago area coin show two weeks ago, and I was not gouged, buying a walker and an Oregon Trail commem. Both dealers were ready to haggle for cash as they were folding up their displays. I passed on lots of nice coins that I considered overpriced, though. A very enjoyable (though brief) experience.
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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 Posted 05/24/2007  11:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add USArmyParatrooper to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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A dealer tries to screw you over and and people think buyer beware, business as usual. But if the businessman gets screwed, stop the check, call the cops, and get the hell out of Dodge.


Well to top it off your situation wasn't a deliberate, premeditated act of fraud. HE wrote the check incorrectly.

But you're right. The hypocracy exists and it's rediculous. My wife took her car in to have the AC system repaired. The auto shop charged her $50 just to look at the car and quote $850 to fix this and that. So she took it to another place that fixed it for less than half the quoted price, saying the other place overcharged for parts and some of the work didn't need to be done.

So it was a win win for them. Charge $50.00 to spend 10 minutes looking at the car. Quote a rediculous amount to fix it. If the sucker bites they make tons of money. If they don't they just got $50 for basically nothing.

How many people get messed up everyday by businesses and how often do they get in any sort of trouble?

I'm sorry to sound so cynical but the car thing just happened and I'm still kind of ticked about it. :)
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05/24/2007 11:34 am
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 Posted 05/24/2007  1:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hunter20ga to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well,'Trooper, I can sure see your point, but will add that businesses that screw their customers or potential customers, often lose out in the long run. We had a local painter do a bid on our house last year. We were new customers and had heard about what a wonderful job she does at a low price. She quoted us an outrageous sum. We thanked her, and did the painting ourselves. Later she did some work for a friend of ours...and a repeat customer of hers...for about half of what she quoted us, for a similar square footage.

Long story short, we won't ever call her back.

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 Posted 05/24/2007  10:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sports Writer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
All these cases just goes to show how nasty and disgusting some businesses are. THose people simply have no clue of what is called legitimacy and are just plain wrong. Anyway, what would your definition of "price gouging" really be?
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 Posted 05/25/2007  08:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add drpepper to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Price gouging is a seller taking advantage of a customers lack of knowledge.
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 Posted 05/25/2007  09:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mathman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A seller taking advantage of a customers lack of knowledge is on the customer, not the seller.

Price gouging is when demand temporarily outweighs supply and the seller charges a premium over the actual worth of the item in question.

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05/25/2007 09:15 am
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A seller taking advantage of a customers lack of knowledge is on the customer, not the seller.

Price gouging is when demand temporarily outweighs supply and the seller charges a premium over the actual worth of the item in question.


So you don't think it's unethical for a seller to diliberately mislead someone into paying far too much?
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 Posted 05/25/2007  10:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mathman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, it is unethical to deliberately mislead someone into either paying too much, or buying under-market.

It's still on the customer to do their own research.

Haggling over price points is prevalent. Somebody says, "how much do you want for this silver dollar?" The dealer will more than likely quote a price higher than they expect to get. If the customer accepts that price, and pays "too much", well, what do you expect the dealer to do? Say, "oh wait a minute, I over-priced that."?

I used to sell cars (please don't hold this against me...). My very first day on the sales floor I had a customer come in looking for a "red sporty car". We test drove every red car on the lot. Then, I remembered my demo car was a "red sporty car." We drove that one and she fell in love with it. This car didn't have a sticker on it. When we went back inside I went and looked up the sticker price. The sticker was $11,800. I knew the car had about 5000 miles on it so when I went back in the office I told them the sticker price was $12,500 in order to give myself some room to negotiate. They immediately said, "We'll take it." They got out a checkbook and started to the write a check. At that point what should I have done?

I went to the sales manager and explained what had happened. First he was impressed that I sold a demo car for more than sticker, but after we talked we came up with a solution. We told the buyer that we had a special deal on demo's that I wasn't aware of, seeing as how this was my first day, and tag, title and tax was included in the price.

In my coin dealer example above, if the dealer is making a very good profit he might throw in a lesser value coin as a "special" to make up for it, but, then again he might not.

In the example that started this thread, if Sports Writer says to the dealer, "$15? I'll give you $10." and had not made a big deal about the original offer, he might have gotten the set for less than the $14 he ultimately paid for it.

Caveat emptor.



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 Posted 05/25/2007  10:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mathman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Of course, there are good dealers out there too.

When I went to my first coin show a while back I found a coin I wanted, for a price I was willing to pay, it was marked $18. I told the dealer I wanted the coin and he said, "That'll be $16." He haggled for me...
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 Posted 05/25/2007  11:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add USArmyParatrooper to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
OK, I get what you're saying. I guess we were talking about two different things. You were referring to the original post, but your reply came right after my example of the auto-shop way overcharging their estimate. They grossly inflated the cost of parts and qouted work that didn't need to be done.

But yeah, as far as haggling goes it's up to the buyer. I generally hate haggling because to me it seems like a childish game. I prefer the Saturn "one price" for everyone policy. But... having to haggle sometimes is just the reality of life.
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