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 Posted 05/05/2013  02:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add daniels to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There was a thread about that pictures turned out great
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I don't see anything raised on the image for the so called "S". I'm thinking it is a stain or dried water drop. If it were a OM it would be raised.

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05/05/2013 10:36 am
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In the first set of pics, I could see an S wide below the D, and what looked to be the top of the S inside the D. But the pics are not good enough to tell. Maybe send it to CONECA or something?
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 Posted 05/05/2013  7:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jjonesy88 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think I really may be on to something. This OM or RPM is not raised, and it wasn't discovered until 2011. I still have a chance.

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If you aren't convinced that it isn't a new variety then there's only one thing to do,send it in for attribution.
coppercoins.com:http://www.coppercoins.com/attribution.php
Wexler:http://doubleddie.com/402401.html
I say it's not a new variety but I'm just another voice in the choir.
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 Posted 05/05/2013  9:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add seal006 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I think I really may be on to something. This OM or RPM is not raised, and it wasn't discovered until 2011. I still have a chance.


The example you show is a RPM not an OMM. An OMM is a mint mark from another mint than it was supposed to be like S/D or D/S. Your statement of it not being raised is false. In order for it to show and be a true RPM it has to be raised. Mint marks are punched into a die, therefore on the die they are incused or below the field surface just like the date and rest of the design. That way when striking a blank planchet it is a raised element like all other devices. If it is not raised it was not part of the die before striking, it cannot be. Part of the education process in understanding varieties is understanding how coins are made. You can rule out many things because they are IMPOSSIBLE in the minting process. So again, if your supposed "S" on your coin is not raised, it is not a mint mark. It is either a scratch or stain. I can understand if you want to disagree with me, but to disagree with Coop who has been working with varieties longer than 90% of CCF has been alive is not smart.
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"I can understand if you want to disagree with me, but to disagree with Coop who has been working with varieties longer than 90% of CCF has been alive is not smart."

I know it has to happen, but I have never seen either of you guys be wrong. Both of you are always spot on and very helpful. It's a fact that if it isn't raised it can't be a RPM. It's not a theory or hypothesis, it's a law. I know how it is to want to find something so bad your mind can trick your eyes into believing it. The mind is a powerful booger. I do know though, if Coop says it is not an RPM, you can take it to the bank. (Pun intended)
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I apologize for not being clear with my previous statement. I understand that yes, a mint mark would be raised from the surface of the coin. I was meaning that it does not necessarily have to be as raised as in the picture he provided. On my coin, the "S" is indeed distinctly above the flat surface of the coin. I am an amateur, and in no way was I trying to argue with any of you guys. That was the whole point for me asking for you guys' opinions. I'm am truly sorry if I offended anyone.
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I apologize for not being clear with my previous statement. I understand that yes, a mint mark would be raised from the surface of the coin. I was meaning that it does not necessarily have to be as raised as in the picture he provided. On my coin, the "S" is indeed distinctly above the flat surface of the coin. I am an amateur, and in no way was I trying to argue with any of you guys. That was the whole point for me asking for you guys' opinions. I'm am truly sorry if I offended anyone.


Then by all means send it to someone. Of course there is a fee. Our assessment is free, always has been, always will be. Your photos are not nearly the quality to make a concise assessment. None of your photos lead to the anomaly being raised. Plus the discoloration of it does not make sense if it were a true mint mark. You did not offend anyone. It just makes it very disheartening for us trying to help. We give you facts and educated opinions, and like many new members, it does not seem to be enough.
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 Posted 05/05/2013  10:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jjonesy88 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have taken everyone's opinion to heart. I wasn't trying to discredit any opinions. Yeah it would be cool to have found a new variety, but it's not like I am hoping and praying for this thing to make me millions. My life could never see a fairy tale ending like that. Curiosity has really caught the cat by the tail.
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I just wished we lived next door to one another and you could hold it your hands. It is my fault for asking for opinions when I was unable to provide the pictures needed for precise decisions about the coin. Again, I apologize for all the inconveniences.
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It is my fault for asking for opinions when I was unable to provide the pictures needed for precise decisions about the coin. Again, I apologize for all the inconveniences.


This statement is not true. We are convinced what we are telling you is true. The photos you have provided have not given you the answers you want. Big difference.
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So do you feel you still want to send it in?
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I can only imagine how many people are discouraged from becoming collectors because of these kinds of threads. It's normal and expected to see people who are new to numismatics post a coin in hopes of a big find. It's also expected that they would react in disbelief to some nameless opinion on the matter. Almost by definition of a newbie, you shouldn't expect they know they're receiving an opinion that is almost equal to a TPG.

I'll tell you what I see that IS Not expected. Pillar's of the Community taking the SAME approach over and over without realizing (or caring?!?!) that you are driving people away from the hobby. All because your free opinion isn't instantly considered word of law.

I'm sure it's frustrating to see newbie after newbie posting similar questions with a predictable response to bad news. But we should be welcoming people to the hobby. And no one should be surprised when someone wants another opinion. It's natural. These kinds of responses to a newbie are not helpful. It's not helpful to the OP and it's not helpful to people reading this. You can't "teach" people to not be skeptical or willing to take a nameless answer as gospel.

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What does it cost to send it to coppercoins or wexler,around $5. If the OP is willing to risk five bucks then go for it.IMHO and I am not a pro it does not look like an OMM or a RPM to me.Good luck and welcome to CCF jjonesy88.
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