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 Posted 09/01/2013  02:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
True counterfeits were made to pass in circulation as money at their face value. A fake is a piece made for sale to collectors at a profit due to its apparent numismatic value. A copy or reproduction is made for sale and often is that of a rare date but is usually so poorly done it should be obvious that it is not the real coin. These are often marked as copies. Then there are fantasies that are made to resemble coins but are of designs that never really existed.

Fakes are typically in the correct metal and often close or correct in weight. They often require specific knowledge of the series or date/mint to identify them.

Copies/reproductions are as a rule never in the correct metal, weights are off, and the images and/or lettering is off so much that they should be identifiable by even relatively novice collectors.


(Ah, the problem of not having standard definitions and sloppy use of terms. It makes it more difficult for everyone to be sure exactly what we are talking about.)
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 Posted 09/01/2013  03:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bababooey to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The terms seem confusing, but there seem to be three concepts:

1. Coins made at the time that the issue was circulating. The maker was not the government and the intention was to pass it off as face value. The cost to make it was less than face value. "Don't take any wooden nickels" expression comes to mind.

2. Coin that have the same look as the issue in question, but it was not made to deceive anyone. It is for folks to have a cheep copy of something they can't afford. As some one mentioned, they may have 'copy' on them.

3. Coins made to deceive collectors, and tun a quick buck.

I guess there is also make issues of coins that never existed as well.

Anyways, if the original poster is asking about #3, the question would be why? Education, eh?
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09/01/2013 03:33 am
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How about a fifth category? Imitation.
The term, as I've seen it used, can blur with "counterfeit," but seems to mean a contemporary coin that was intended to have a greater acceptance in circulation by adopting the style of a popular, established coin. Small silver coins of continental Europe in the Middle Ages often copied the design of English silver pennies:
http://www.britnumsoc.org/publicati...NJ_23_12.pdf
Also, the British George III halfpenny was counterfeited like mad, both in Britain and America. But when the states of Connecticut and Vermont started making their own official coppers, they imitated the George III design, as the man's head with the laurel wreath and the seated lady on the reverse were what people expected to have in their change.
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And quite collectiable on many of them as I'm learning from the EAC, some of the elctrotypes of early US coppers sell for several hundred dollars at the EAC auctions.


You arnt kidding about being expensive.. The ones at my LCS, (Vermont & Connecticut colonials mostly, maybe a Jersey too, I can't recall) are great counterfeits, still in superb condition. Most are priced over $200, a few even over that!

I didn't know they were that collectable though... I never really have them much thought once I was told they were counterfeits.. Next time I go in I'll check them out better and try to take some pics. Maybe even buy a couple..
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 Posted 09/02/2013  12:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Something you have to remember about the state coins is that some of the "real" ones were actually contemporary counterfeits.
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Nothing is worse than a nice coin having a date that is altered just to drive up the price a little bit. It's destroying history.
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