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70 Proof Set - 10-Piece (No Gold) - Montage

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 Posted 06/21/2007  02:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nelrak to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Prethen, you have really inspired me. Your collection is AWESOME!

So my quest <cough> begins to get some 19th century proofs myself after seeing your beautiful collection. Doubt if I do the single year like you did...like you said there are less than 1000 in a lot of those coins and who knows how many exist and are available so I am thinking about focusing on TYPE.

Which types do you think are good to start with and which ones did you find to be most readily available? As far as upgrades...I know I wouldn't want to sell them if I had them, but if you decide to and have a layaway plan let me know!
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 Posted 06/21/2007  09:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Prethen to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nelrak: 3CN, Shield nickel, Liberty nickel, and Indian cent Proofs are extremely available. Don't get less than PF65 and great mirrors if at all possible. The silver coins have lower mintages and greater desirability generally and will cost a little to a lot more. It's all available though.

Thank you for your compliments about my set. I didn't know at first that I was going to do it either. In fact, I kind of surprised myself by completing it. I strongly encourage you to go down the Early Proof path. There's a lot to learn and they are some of the most beautiful U.S. coins available to collect.
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I found three proof seated liberties at a coin shop in town. They are ungraded at the present time. They were just getting ready to send them out to get graded today, but have offered them to me. They had written down they conservatively graded them at least PR63...which is where they are priced about $150 less than the greysheet at that grade for the following coins:

1870 1/2 Dime - 1,000 mintage
1873 Dime plain - 1,100 mintage
1891 Quarter - 600 mintage

They all have some nice toning with no nicks or wear that I can identify. I am supposed to let them know tomorrow if I am interested and put them on layaway for 3 months. I guess considering how many survivors there are out there I should go on and get them. They want $1700 for the three. Any advise about buying raw proofs before I commit?
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 Posted 06/21/2007  5:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Prethen to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nelrak: Boy....where do I begin?

First, let me say that I'm thrilled that you're anxious to go down this path. Good for you! You're dead-on right about those mintages and relative low values. It's ridiculous when you look at how much other coins that have huge survivor rates and their prices. As the coins get bigger in size, so do their prices (especially noticeable to the Early Proof collector)!

Let's just say I specialize in this area. Myself and probably others on this board (and other forums) can offer you tons of advice in this area. I would say, do NOT buy any RAW Proofs until you know what you're looking at. Personally, I still get "nervous" when I look at a raw Proof because you have to wonder WHY is it not already slabbed? Usually, the answer is because there's a problem. Sometimes the answer is because the dealer broke it out of the holder because he disagreed with the grade. Other times, it's purely innocent and it just came out of an old time collection and it's ripe for the picking. Expensive and/or fragile coins like that today should be suspect if not already holdered, especially if you're new to the Proof collecting thing.

Okay...that aside. If I'm buying a Proof, it better be ALL THERE. This means that the mirrors need to be at least medium deep and not overly subdued by toning. The toning should not be splotchy, too dark, or generally unattractive. White coins should automatically pose a red flag to you that it's likely been dipped or cleaned is some other manner. Make sure the coin doesn't have any dip residue or other problems due to a bad dip (such as yellow/brown toning around the rim of the coin). There should be no marks, spots, dings, etc. anywhere in the prime focal area. Any hairlines should be minimal for the grade and not distracting.

Please don't hesitate to ask questions. If you can show us pictures of a potential purchase that would greatly assist us in what we might think or do. Can the dealer allow you to take pictures/scans? Don't feel pressured to buy before it gets slabbed. Yeah, you might pay more, but it might save you some serious grief, too. Chances are the dealer is not stupid and he won't sell you a PF65 coin for PF63 money, but then again that's what the Cherry Pick is all about!

Keep us up-to-date!
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 Posted 06/21/2007  7:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nelrak to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I will go by tomorrow and get some pictures and have them posted by tomorrow night. I think he'll wait until Saturday for my decision.
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 Posted 06/21/2007  7:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Prethen to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If at all possible try to get high resolution photos at various angles. At certain angles, the light will reflect off the mirrors and show them off. At other angles, it should show better detail. The key is to show enough detail so the hairlines are visible. Be sure you careful review the coins in hand and tilt them around in a 100W incadescent bulb (or halogen) to see the hairlines and any other possible problems.
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 Posted 06/21/2007  8:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add scoutjim99 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
WOW very nice set!! I am very envious
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 Posted 06/22/2007  12:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add shatsi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is an amazing set Prethen.
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 Posted 06/23/2007  06:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gary Burke to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Those are some beautiful coins!!
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