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World Coin Collection - Country Checklist?

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 Posted 01/24/2014  11:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Let me know when they get around to including every single ancient Greek coin-issuing city-state, and I'll be impressed.

I'm sure if you made up such a list and joined they would be happy to include it in the files section.
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 Posted 01/25/2014  02:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wade to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
as far as my OFEC is concerned if you have 1 greek city state then you have filled the "greek city state" slot. same for german, italian, austrian states etc. anything more than one state is a duplicate "country".
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 Posted 01/25/2014  06:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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as far as my OFEC is concerned if you have 1 greek city state then you have filled the "greek city state" slot. same for german, italian, austrian states etc. anything more than one state is a duplicate "country".


That's how Numista works. It means it's a bit hard to get very many countries, but the list isn't dominated by city-states either.
IMHO, how to deal with government changes and/or renamings is much more of a problem (with Russia, for example, between 1900 and 2000 we have coins from the Russian Empire, RSFSR, USSR and the Russian Federation; it gets even more confusing with Germany).
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 Posted 01/25/2014  11:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jaymon74 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I do love collecting world coins, but the organizing them and keeping track was/is a challenge. I still use "collector albums" from Hobby Lobby and arrange the coins alphabetically. Problem is, as you add countries you either have to rearrange the pages(2x2s), add pages, or both. It does get to be a hassle.
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 Posted 01/25/2014  12:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cheezyfryes to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Questions:

Where do you put the Euro in a OFEC collection?

What do you do with countries that use the same currency (e.g., GBP for the UK, Jersey, Guernsey, etc)?
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01/25/2014 12:50 pm
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Question: Where do you put the Euro in a OFEC collection?


Um, the country that issued them? Every single euro-issuing country makes coins with different designs, and in most of the cases it's relatively obvious which design corresponds to which country (and for the rest you just need to consult some relevant catalogue).
I personally don't seem to have any countries only represented in my collection by euro coins, but there's no reason that it shouldn't count if someone does have such countries (and it might well be much harder to find "regular" coins of, say, Slovenia, that is it to find their euro coins).
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Um, the country that issued them?

I guess what I was wondering is, do people typically just get the pre-Euro coin for each country in the EU whenever possible?
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01/25/2014 1:25 pm
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Cheezyfryes,
I organize my world coins are organized in this fashion:

Alphabetical by country name
denomination
If the same denomination then by date
If the same denomination and date then by grade (only a couple)
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in the case of a euro for a country that previously used a different currency, I would put the old currency in first and the euro set after the old currency
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The first thing you would need to do is determine what countries. Andorra is in the European Union, but continued to mint dinars while awaiting approval from the EU to mint. Hutt River Province mints many coins, but he U. S. government considers them counterfeit. Hutt River has an interesting story of declaring independence from Australia in the 1970s, and got into making money from commemoratives. But, Australia seems to not fond this small place a problem. So, who determines which countries are real, and even real like Andorra, can mint coins? Then there are ancient coins, and not so ancient coins from countries of the past.

You have an interesting dilemma in determining which countries to have on your list.
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 Posted 01/26/2014  7:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wade to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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how to deal with government changes and/or renamings is much more of a problem


I follow numista's lead in this regard, (ie; I have 3 for russia: imperial, communist, socialist) but numista isn't very consistent. Germany for example has Notgeld issues included with the regular "Germany" where as french emergency currency from the same era gets its own "country" slot.

Caribbean slots on numista are even harder to maneuver (one type of coin qualifies for many different counties so in a sense you have duplicates), as are some of the fantasy issues from places like Micronesia.

but numista is still a good guide. I really like their interface, search function and display map. I just hit 264 and have 3 more in the pipeline, but I don't think I will get much past 275 as it is getting a bit costly.
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01/26/2014 7:04 pm
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I agree with Wade. Numista is a good guide. While it is not 100% it is totally free and well worth it. It helps you organize your collection a bit. If you have a smart phone, you can check your collection when you are not sure what year or grade of coin you have while at a show or LCS. I also agree that once you get past the 250 country mark it does start to get more costly. Still a ton of fun to collect.
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but he U. S. government considers them counterfeit



Why would the US government care?
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I use Numista and have 1,949 coins cataloged in it right now. There are some areas where it is really useful.

1. Searching, if you are not sure where a coin is from you can enter part of the legend or a date and quickly narrow down the possibilities.

2. Pictures, there are pictures for a lot of coins that are not in the World Coin catalogs. Some of the commemortive stuff takes a while to get into the print catalogs.

3. Upload ability, if you have a coin that isn't in the numista catalog, or doesn't have a picture, you can add the entry yourself and make it easier for those who come after you.

4. The dashboard map. I really love the map and the way it colors the countries based on the number of coins you have. That map is one of the main reasons I started using numista.

5. Mobile access. Their mobile page is not the best but you can use it to see if you have a coin while you are at a coin show or shop.

I really love numista, but there are some problems with it. So keep in mind that I am saying it is really good but there are some really bad problems.

1. The forum. It is no where near as nice as this forum. There are a lot of really annoying people, and a large number of jerks. The moderators of the forum are not doing their job.

2. There are a lot of internal politics on the French side of the forum (it is a French site). People think Americans are jerks (and they are), but French people are a whole different type of jerks.

What I do is use numista for the catalog features and then use this forum. The people here are way more friendly, professional and knowledgeable.

3. Countries.

a. The England, Great Britain, United Kingdom separations are a mess. I have no clue why they do it that way.

b. Some people have vendettas against certain coutries and try to remove them. Or people have their own pet countries and try to add them.

Some days I log in and find I have gained or lost a country. Taiwain is a good example, there is a faction that thinks it should be part of China. Hutt River is another one, it is listed as a full blown country even though it is not a real country. Someone removed it for a while but it came back.

There are also problem with how a country should be named. Some people think they should be named in the original language, others say they should be named as they are known in someones local lanuguage. (e.g. should it show up as São Tomé and Príncipe or St. Thomas).

They also have a tencancy to collapse countries in on themselves, (e.g. Indian Princely states, German states, China, etc.) Which is fine but it is inconsistant. As already brought up French Emergency coinage has it's own catagory (French Cities), but German Notgeld goes under Germany.

If it is not a modern country (e.g. last 100 to 150 years) numista is not very good. The Ancient and Medieval sections are a mess.

c. Another problem is the tokens section. There is a large number of people who see no different between a Chuck E. Cheese token and Hard Times tokens, Civil War tokens, Condor tokens, etc. There are other countries that issued 'notgeld' during the war that circulated as legitimate coins. Most all of these items just get tossed into a tokens catagory.

d. Fantasy coins (Coins produced by private companies for countries that do not exist, or for areas that do not have a currency) also have a tendancy of slipping in. The Galapagos coins are a good example. They are part of Ecuador and use Ecuadorian currency, but a private company minted some coins for them in an attemt to fool some unsuspecting collectors. It is sad because I really wish there were a Galapagos coin with a giant tortoise depicted.

Just my thoughts on numista.
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