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vegasvagrant, I have located the following speared Buffalo nickels; NGC in MS64, MS65 and MS66 and one Anacs in MS65. Should have the prices available for you in a matter of a couple of days. Will explain more when I get the list but would prefer private mail then you can make the decision. There is much more to tell but as I said I prefer an email or private mail from here at the forum. It is very important that your husband collects whatever he desires as he is the only person he has to keep happy with what he is doing. Going after the old classics would be a much more secure collecting habit as others have suggested. If he really does have his heart set on a speared bison, as I did, then get with me and save yourself some money. As you have found, there are a great number of fine collectors frequenting this forum and every one of them mean you folks nothing but WELL! Hope you hang around and spend some time with us? Will await your reply. |
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Will add to my profile so it will be there for all to see but my Email is momnkid@hotmail.com. Please get in touch with me with any info you have. It will be appreciated.
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Hope all of this advice has helped you folks out! Let us know what you decide!
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I think as well that the price of 575 is too high. I bought an ANACS MS65 for 127.
Yes the MS 66 grade is high (and should carry a nice premium) , are there any higher?
I would not pay that price for it personally, I'm happy with my MS65,
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Tracy, as a complete newbie to coin collecting (national dealer has been a fountain of information to me) I know how you feel. You want to proceed carefully, and your husband is dazzeled by the coin and the idea of a big payoff down the road. Best advice I was given and have taken is to "invest" a chunk of that coin money in Coin BOOKS!!! They can not only save you tons of money, they will "dazzle" in a differnt way. You will have the books forever and always have a handy reference for the future. For the kind of money DH will spend on one coin that may or may not be worth a nickel, :) in the future, he could have a fantasic collection of modern silver coins from a trusted dealer. Just my Two Cents...........good luck. Margaret |
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One thing about coins is that they always come up for sale time and time again. If you want a particular coin and the price isn't right, just wait, it will come up for sale again. A little patience can really pay off.
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Very solid advice toast! Mike  |
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Originally posted by Margaret
You want to proceed carefully, and your husband is dazzeled by the coin and the idea of a big payoff down the road.
This is often the case for new collectors. I hear this same type of story hundreds of times a year, and they all end the same way. Most new collectors will leave the hobby feeling that everyone involved are crooks. It only takes a little education to save yourself a ton of money. Welcome to the forum Margaret. Nice of you to finally join in on the fun. |
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Originally posted by toast
One thing about coins is that they always come up for sale time and time again. If you want a particular coin and the price isn't right, just wait, it will come up for sale again. A little patience can really pay off.
Yes you should be able to find other MS66 Speared Bisons so there is no need or hurry to buy this one. But as a collect of unique error coins, when it comes to one-of-a-kind examples, you can't wait because it won't come up for sale again, (unless of course the purchashere resells it) |
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Just an update: He did wait on that coin. He was more undecided than I knew and after reading some of the advice I gave him from this board, he made up his mind. Thanks again all. As for the books, we had the 2005 Red Book and just picked up the 2006. Not sure if it is already listed on the site but are there any other "must-have" books? |
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Breens complete encyclopedia of US and Colonial coins is a good resource for error and variety coins, as well as kraus Standard catalog of world coins.
They are not cheap but what is !!
Rick
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Photograde or the ANA grading guide should be the next book bought. After that, it is really a matter of taste. The Breen encyclopedia is a fabulous book, but often "too much" for the average collector. One note: pick up a subscription to something like CoinWorld, Coins, Coinage, or Numismatic News. Those will also help a great deal. |
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Hi - I am also new to this forum and would like to add my inside information. Firstly this person was sent a 2nd Chance offer from ebay because they were underbidder on my MS66 Speared Bison - which sold for a little over $600 - $1K or more less than the other MS66's that have been sold on ebay (that were sold by my friend). I know what they went for because we speak daily. He had 3 or 4 of them and all went for between 1300 and $2K range. Mine sold for $600 - way less than any other MS66 SB's that have been sold. Pricing ARE dropping - that was to be expected. That said I'd like to make a couple of points:
here is URL (link) to auction in question: will try to link, but new here so forgive it doesn't link properly please:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...MESO:IT&rd=1
The Bison nickels as a whole are trashed on the obverse. The low population for this coin alone is LOW - very low for anything over 65. There are only a few 66's in the Bison Nickle alone - much LESS the Speared example.
I have not looked today but here are the last Population Numbers that I researched when I listed this coin. I do not have access to ANACS population, and would appreciate anyone that could please provide the Population for 2005-D Bisons (speared or otherwise). Please note that while PCGS 'breaks out' the SB's from regular Bisons, NGC does not and lumps them together. These nickels have been out for quite awhile - you would think that there would be more higher grades - but remember the obverses are TRASHED due to wide open fields - and it could 'just be' that there never will be a lot of these coins in higher grades. Sure there will be more - but never a giant number, because they just are trashed coins on obverse. At least from the bank rolls. I have not opened any rolls from the mint, so don't know how those grade - however, I know people have - and STILL low population on the 05-D Bison!
From the auction site:
(Note: bolded numbers for each group are the MS 66 - the number before that are the MS65's - Please note there are ZERO MS67's to date from this data (1 wk. ago) - ie. MS66's IS top grade for alllll 05-D Bison nickels - Speared and Plain Jane.)
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POPULATION INFORMATION FOR 2005-D Bison and Speared Bison Nickels:
NGC: 2005 D BISON 5C MS 128 6 31 89 9
PCGS: 84159 2005-D 5C Speared Bison MS 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 19 64 30 5 0 0 0 0 119
PCGS: 4159 2005-D 5C Bison MS 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 3 16 55 22 4 0 0 0 0 101
ANACS pop not available
I have watched these coins and the 66's. On the PCGS - my friend owned (and sold) 4 of them to the same person whom I will not name here. She is a member of another coin forum. The other PCGS 66 was owned by another 'friend' - whom I met online. That's it for the FIVE MS66's SB's.
On to the NGC - There are 9 - last I looked - and I own(ed) 8 of those. The other one was sold to the same person that bought the four from my first friend - who now owns all of the PCGS 66's and one of the NGC 66's. That's it. One was sold to the high bidder of auction (2nd chance offer was sent to originator of this thread.) So in other words ..... Two people own all of the MS 66 SB's - myself and the person who is buying them all up - and one third person who was high bidder on my auction. There are NO more MS66's in PCGS or NGC. I do have a few ANACS 66's that I am not selling - and not even sure if I will be selling any more of my NGC 66's. I may keep them for my grandchildren - Then again I 'may' list another one next week.
All of my auctions (from onset) have started a 88 cents and the market has established itself on this error. Prices have been established from an average of past ebay sales by myself and others.
The 'dealers' were 'left out' in the cold on the Speared Bison .... intentionally, I might add - by myself and my friend. We chose not to include dealers in the sale of the coins for several reasons, which I will not go into now (UNlike other errors that was 'hyped' by dealers regarding the extra leaf variety!!). Most of the SB's sold on ebay were sold by mere collectors such as myself, which has alienated some dealers into badmouthing this coin - specifically the fact that it was 'named' the Speared Bison. (Hello? what else could you call it?)
So bottom line is - you will NOT, as some have said - find a better deal on the MS66's Speared Bison nickels from NGC - because I have them all at this point. Sure there will be more --- but I doubt if they will get cheaper. Could be wrong, but that said - I may/may not sell mine cheaper at a future date. I am not trying to 'brag', but trying to make a point that the MS66 grade on a BISON NICKEL alone is TOP POP and rare ....... much LESS to be SPEARED ......... so last bottom line is this coin it RARE! The person who refused the 2nd chance offer due to poo pooers on this thread - may have just lost out on a realllllllllllll good deal. :)
Thanks for listening - and I expect - and welcome your commments - which I am SO sure will be forthcoming.
Hello Crystal. 
Sincerely,
Pamela Ryman-Moir
Discoverer of the 'Speared Bison' nickel
P.S. I am not going to check this for typos and mispellings because I am swamped for time - please forgive them - I know they are probably there.
Edited to add:
vegasvagrant, I have located the following speared Buffalo nickels; NGC in MS64, MS65 and MS66 and one Anacs in MS65.
(This person had contacted ME for pricing.)
Edited by Spectrum
07/31/2005 5:53 pm
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Originally posted by Spectrum
The 'dealers' were 'left out' in the cold on the Speared Bison .... intentionally, I might add - by myself and my friend. We chose not to include dealers in the sale of the coins for several reasons, which I will not go into now
Hold on here. First, These "HYPED" coins were sold on the open market. So who did you leave out? Secondly, as one of a few "dealers" who specialize in the TOP coins, I can tell you first hand what pop reports are good for. Third, when you learn what a RARE coin really is, please come back and let me know. |
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National Dealer: On your 1st point: Again, I repeat - these coins were NEVER EVER 'hyped' by myself. There were a 'few' who found them and were 'hyping' them on ebay. My auctions stated 'fact' not hype and they were all started at 88 cents. I did not tell these people to bid on these coins. The market established itself from day one - as I was the only one who sold them for awhile. Later, info was released to the media by myself, then others found some - and some included 'hype' in 'their auctions - but never did I hype ANY thing, SIR. 2nd, There are a lot of dealers who sell 'top' coins - or 'say' they do - you are one of many - no disrespect intended. What I meant by that statement was that I did not sell all of the SB's to a dealer to RE-sell. I sent them out for grading myself and sold them myself. I did not "give up" a percentage to any dealers. Population Reports tell how many coins have been graded - not how many exist - sure double the numbers, BUT it is a sample of what IS out there - and percentages of grades/sampling. And THIRD - I know what a rare coin is, SIR! Rare coins are coins that there are not very many of. Period. From Websters: Rare: Not frequently encountered; scarce; uncommon. So if there are ONLY around TWENTY graded 2005-D MS66 Bison Nickels (Spears included)- out of allllllll of the 05-D Bison Nickel - I would say that is quite uncommon; scarce, and not frequently encountered!! ;) and Fourth - I would appreciate if you would not talk down to me like I am illiterate. Pam ======================= $575 is absolutely over the top. If you do attend the upcoming show, you will find these from regular dealers at a far cheaper price.Edited to add - for those who say you can find an MS66 Speared Bison for cheaper from dealers - are dead wrong. I know of EVERY single one 'graded' by NGC and PCGS (and most of the ANACS too) - that are in existence and have ever been graded and/or sold. How can they sell them if they don't have them - and they do NOT have them. Nor did they sell them much cheaper 'raw' because they did not have them either. If anyone knows of a dealer with an NGC or PCGS MS66 Speared Bison - they bought it from my friend, one other person or myself. Edited by Spectrum
07/31/2005 6:45 pm
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