Coin Community Family of Web Sites Join Thousands of Coin, Bullion, & Money Collectors
Vancouvers #1 Coin and Paper Money Dealer Specializing in Modern Numismatics Join Thousands of Coin, Bullion, & Money Collectors Royal Estate Auctions - $1 Coin AuctionsCoin, Banknote and Medal Collectors's Online Mall Royal Canadian Mint products, Canadian, Polish, American, and world coins and banknotes. 300,000 items to help build your collection!








Username:
Password:
Save Password
Forgot your Password?


This page may contain links that result in small commissions to keep this free site up and running.

Welcome Guest! Registering and/or logging in will remove the anchor (bottom) ads. It's Free!

M.theresa Thaler Re-Strike, Hafner 49A2. Correct ?

To participate in the forum you must log in or register.
Author Previous TopicReplies: 23 / Views: 4,063Next Topic
Page: of 2
Pillar of the Community
austrokiwi's Avatar
2087 Posts
 Posted 12/03/2014  11:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add austrokiwi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
on the clean edges: NOt the ones I have seen ( including a proof I purchased in May from the Vienna mint) The letters and decorations all look blurred and squashed( thats what I mean by unclean). But anything is possible. These modern restrikes have never been properly analysed. MY focus is often much earlier and targets key varieties that tell the story of the coin. As I have said I have made my assessment based on the edge arabesque its drawn in Hafners lexicon under the H54 description. I have seen one perfect example of H49( In Colorado springs of all places) I was really surprised by it. I even saw an BUnc( Is that MS65?) H 69 something I never thought was possible. The owner had purchased it in Chad in the 1980s I believe. I have to admit for these coins I think the term modern retrike is heaps better than hafners attributions. Simply because these labels H49/H54/H60 are just catch all categories rather than specific easily identifiable varieties. Heres a 2003/2004 proof error coin with the edge(One edge iron was set up upside down) that edge is what I mean by unclean

M.theresa-Thaler-Re-Strike,-Hafner-49A2.-Correct-?
Edited by austrokiwi
12/03/2014 11:29 am
Pillar of the Community
United States
1666 Posts
 Posted 12/03/2014  11:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numismat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Personally I'm also much more interested in the earlier examples, as well as those crazy fantasy counterstamps on MTT's. I think this coin is so popular and so widely accepted as being OK to reproduce makes the more modern versions an extremely difficult task to catalog properly. And what is the incentive anyway? they are all just bullion silver.
Edited by Numismat
12/03/2014 11:31 am
Pillar of the Community
austrokiwi's Avatar
2087 Posts
 Posted 12/03/2014  11:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add austrokiwi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Except I would add a correction. The MTT is probably one of the coins that is illegal to reproduce( despite the chinese doing it any way). It is recognised as a coin of Austria and I think any chinese reproducer is actually breaking Chinese law. I believe the MTT is a current coin under Austrian legislation ( but as a trade/Bullion coin rather than national currency){I gotta check that to see if its true!}.
Pillar of the Community
United States
1666 Posts
 Posted 12/03/2014  12:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numismat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I can't imagine Austria successfully extraditing a Chinese national for making MTT's. It may be illegal under Austrian law, but the Chinese laws are pretty clear that it's only illegal to counterfeit Chinese coins. Now, the Chinese do counterfeit their own coins regardless, they just sell them on the US or one of the European ebay sites and do not ship them to China. It's pretty easy to get rich in China right about now if you know things about coins. :(
Pillar of the Community
austrokiwi's Avatar
2087 Posts
 Posted 12/03/2014  1:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add austrokiwi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
LOL actually I was referring to Chinese law. I usually only see lots of fake MTTs when I travel to jordan. I suspect most of the MTT fakes made today are sent to the middle east...because why would any one buy a fake when they can get it new. The MTT is recognise under British law as an Austrian coin. I believe the legal considerations that led to non austrian production from 1936 -1960/61 have all been modified so Internationally the coin is legally recognised as Austria's
Edited by austrokiwi
12/03/2014 1:04 pm
Pillar of the Community
United States
1666 Posts
 Posted 12/03/2014  2:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numismat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
:) We are talking about "is it illegal in China". International law need not apply
Pillar of the Community
wonghinghi's Avatar
Hong Kong
1270 Posts
 Posted 12/04/2014  08:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wonghinghi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Henry not sure where you get the idea H60 has a clean well defined edge.


Quick reply to you Ian,

Frankly speaking, I have no proved data or documentary evidence to tell there is an improved edge in H60. What I have to identify a modern MTT restrike is by Hafner's Lexicon (You bought for me). By comparing several tens of coins, I am pretty sure the "curved claw" design happened to be found from 1960s, there is no early (say 1930s or 1900s) MTTs have this design. That's why I am sure the posted coin is a modern restrike.

As this "modern restrike or H60" has a clean edge, I just suppose not all H60 have an unclean edge inscription, probably it happened to have some batches or variety to exist with an improved edging.

Pillar of the Community
austrokiwi's Avatar
2087 Posts
 Posted 12/04/2014  09:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add austrokiwi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
All I can say for certain is its a modern restrike. Which isn't particularly helpful as modern restrike, from my research, actually encompasses the period 1817- to the current day( I count Hafner 41 as being the first example of a modern restrike) and the edge Arabesque on the coin is typical of a pre-1930 MTT. It looks 20th century to me I would have said exactly the same as you except for the edge arabesques. As for the curved claw I have no idea if that is an exclusive identifier.

For any ones constructive criticism: I define as modern an MTT that has a Guenzburg obverse with an oval pearled brooch, a Guenzburg reverse, and vienna mint edge decorations. I don't use dates because I can't trust them. I have to acknowledge my definition isn't clean as an 1817 Venice strike( H41) is modern while an 1820 Prague mint strike would be early.
  Previous TopicReplies: 23 / Views: 4,063Next Topic
Page: of 2

To participate in the forum you must log in or register.



    




Disclaimer: While a tremendous amount of effort goes into ensuring the accuracy of the information contained in this site, Coin Community assumes no liability for errors. Copyright 2005 - 2026 Coin Community Family- all rights reserved worldwide. Use of any images or content on this website without prior written permission of Coin Community or the original lender is strictly prohibited.
Contact Us  |  Advertise Here  |  Privacy Policy / Terms of Use

Coin Community Forum © 2005 - 2026 Coin Community Forums
It took 0.3 seconds to rattle this change. Forums