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Pillar of the Community
United States
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 Wanted to run this by you guys-- I recently bought a 2014 silver proof set for my daughter's first birthday. While checking the coins before putting it away, I noticed that the reverse is completely missing the "frosted" cameo effect. The fields are mirror-like, but the devices look like a mint set coin. Obverse is normal. Google around for a bit, and can't find any info on this. Is this an error? If so, is this something to look into getting slabbed?
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I think it should be frosted on the reverse. Here is a side by side of the Obverse/reverse from the mint images:  They may have left that step out? |
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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it could be a mule of a different finish die, I would post some better pics. you could have something big.
Feel free to call me Will.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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 Better pics, might be worth some $$$ |
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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I'll get some better pictures a bit later--was using my phone previously. Are there die markers to determine if this is a mule die pair?
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Rest in Peace
United States
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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The mint mark should be "S" if it is a proof coin for that year. If not, then it is a business strike coin.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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As promised: Reverse-   Obverse-   Sorry for the lack of super-closeups...this is about the best my current photography setup can do. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I pulled out mine to look; there is a difference in contrast, but the frost is present. The reverse seems to use two different levels of frost, a light frost on most of the relief and heavier frost to highlight some details. None of the others in the set have two-tone frost though. It's clearly a design choice to enhance the reverse design this way, but it's weird that it's this totally unannounced thing. Or it could just be that I'm out of the loop; surely this isn't the first time this has been noticed...
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Pillar of the Community
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I think or well almost sure you have something there. Proof dies are treated both polished and chemically to create the frost appearance . I search small dollars and I have all sac proofs and most presidential. I haven't seen one like that . The toning should be a light frost and a heavy frost. Yours looks to be a forgotten step in the process of creating the die. From what I see in the pictures I would have that attributed. That's really cool let us know what you find out or have happen ok. Oh here is an example of all 3 coins taken from ebay and you can also find examples with pretty good pics of pr 70 2014 sac dollars. http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/321369...id=82&chn=ps |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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On the older proof coins, the cameo was something hard to find. Then they started maintaining the effect on the dies. So they are common now, but yous seems to be missing it.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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If the reverse die is nearing the end of its lif the frost could be fading from die wear.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I don't think the frost is actually missing. I just think it's different on the reverse of 2014 Sacagawea proofs. Take out your own proofs and take a look. The reverse has a different frost treatment applied with two levels of frost as shown in my close-ups.
Now, if everyone else's reverses have normal frost, then maybe Finn235 and I have something special, but I doubt it.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I'm thinking along the same lines as Conder on this one. The frosting is extra weak by design, and I happen to have a very late die example. I'll send it in if someone else is seeing something very different in their in-hand example, but for now I'm thinking that the premium on this coin would be negligible. Certainly not enough to justify breaking up my daughter's birth year set.
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Valued Member
United States
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I would like to reopen this topic on the 2014 SAC proof cameo level. It looks to me like there are two different intended designs....one with all raised surfaces cameo...and the other with just the lettering and some detail in the clothes cameo. I don't think it is a worn die or I would suspect that all of the surfaces would loose the cameo effect at the same rate. I also have not seen a modern proof coin (at least since 1999)that is not deep cameo. Has anyone heard of a variation where the mint actually intended one design maybe the partial cameo first and then changed to the full cameo reverse?  |
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