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Call Out To The Small Cent Collectors

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 Posted 06/15/2015  1:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add canadian-varieties to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not sure you can include a High 9, unless you provide a comparison to a "not high but not low 9" :)...

Here is a "Medium 9" that the winning bidder thought was a "high 9" ($500 for AU!!)

Maybe a caveat that the "Medium 9" may comprise several dies? They cannot be discerned under 10x even if several exist...

I honestly struggle to discern the high from medium lol...I'll have to buy and bunch and see if I can learn something more about this variety...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1318-Canada...047675.l2557

Other Medium 9s:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Canada-1929...047675.l2557
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1929-HIGH-9...047675.l2557

True High 9?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Canada-1929...047675.l2557
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 Posted 06/15/2015  5:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Smallcentguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I find that subtle changes in the rotational orientation of photographs have a tendency to make the eye think certain 9s as being a bit higher or lower when they are actually the same. To me all those links are the same.
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 Posted 06/15/2015  6:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add canadian-varieties to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What I find incredible about the 1929 "high 9" is the massive disconnect between the EF and AU

an EF can be had for $20-$30...while an AU goes for $500 !

I can't think of any other variety with this kind of disconnect in "market price"....

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 Posted 06/15/2015  6:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Smallcentguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1929 High 9s with any particular red are very scarce. I have had three pass through my hands (one remains glued firmly in place!). The other two were better than the one in the auction the other day and, while they achieved nice prices, sold for less than that one.
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 Posted 06/15/2015  6:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alexer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here's the four from Canadain-varieties's links.
A little easier to compare this way.
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 Posted 06/15/2015  6:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okiecoiner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you take an index card or piece of paper and align it so that the bottom of the serifs on the 1 and 2 are aligned along the edge of the paper, you will see that all 4 of them are different (where the paper intersects them). Although I don't collect small cents (only large) I don't think that this is a variety at all. I think that the 9's were hand-punched in (like the 1859's) from working die blanks that started as 192. There is also a spacing diffference between the 2 and the 9 on all of them. It's minute, but measureable. I think that there are all kinds of degree of "high" for '29.
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 Posted 06/15/2015  10:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pennysaver to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There are also small rotational differences to be found as well -- for instance compare the 9's in pictures 1 & 4 in pennyman's post. There are many different die pairs out there for those who have the patience and inclination to look...
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 Posted 06/16/2015  04:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okiecoiner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The designation for the '29 and the subsequent pricing differences for this (or these) varieties may go the same way as it did for the 1896 large cents and the "far 6". There got to be 4-5 different fars accepted and nearly as many "nears", so ICCS and other TPG's stopped certifying them entirely, although it's still listed in Trends. Ar last count, I think that I had at least 12 different positions/rotationals/spacings for 6. Many other LC dates are the same .. with the final digit(s) handpunched in, you run out of adjectives to describe how near, far, high, low any date is.
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 Posted 06/16/2015  10:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DEVLEC to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
..and still another 29..

...besides the 9 placement changes, it's also interesting to take note of the different sizes of the loops in the many 9's showing here.

I don't think that wear can account for all of the differences here..

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I don't think that wear can account for all of the differences here..


Nor will I attempt to... I intend to show a normal (business strike) low 9 and an example of the High, Far 9 (the two end members, as I mentioned earlier). The intent is for the variety, not a proper die study....
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I will take a wild guess and say the 1962 harp would fall under overcleaned die or something?
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 Posted 06/17/2015  11:35 am  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
For one , I stay right away from these date spacing varieties like the 1929 cent ,1896 Large cent, 1932 nickel and the like. In my opinion anyone throwing big bucks at this stuff, needs a reality check. Too flaky and arbitrary . What's certified and graded one month is pariah the next. Look at all of the date spacing in the fifty cents series. Interesting but hardly huge pricing differences.
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The 1932 far 2 is legit and a very interesting variety that will catch on one day...

the 1896 far 6 probably will never find favour with collectors.

But the 1929 high 9 isn't going away

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I posted this picture some time ago and only showed the 29 which does not give a proper scan. Look at my coin and the last 9 is higher than the first 9. I tried to straighten it up as this also helps.

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Sounds like another Book I will like to have in my collection
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