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Why Would A Reputable Dealer Say This? Update 10/8/05

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 Posted 10/08/2005  04:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add OldGoldKing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
hope noone forgets about this thread..
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 Posted 10/08/2005  04:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ageka to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by GoldCoinLover

Ageka, I don't understand. What is the difference in the color in the blue filter? What do you see?



I replied in a private mail
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 Posted 10/08/2005  04:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ageka to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


I know a big spanish dealer who said he was selling the coin pictured and sold three coins with the same picture
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Mike can you clarify what needed editing in my post
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 Posted 10/08/2005  05:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ageka to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
In response to multiple private emails I would like to post an uncleaned coin and a cleaned coin side by side
I know their status since I cleaned the righthandside one myself
40 years ago with copper polish and a soft cloth
Please note that only a Scanner will show you this distinction so clearly as shown here


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 Posted 10/08/2005  2:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add OldGoldKing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Do you think my coin is cleaned agenka? Thanks for the picture
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 Posted 10/08/2005  2:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Susanlynn9 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I know you addressed this question to Ageka, but in my opinion and based on the above picture, I definitely think it's been cleaned.
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 Posted 10/08/2005  2:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Susanlynn9 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Okay, I should have done this earlier, but I just got a chance to look at the coinvault website. I looked at the raw coins that are for sale on that site and I did not see one that wasn't overgraded..and I mean by a lot. Take a look at the US 1804 Draped Bust quarter for a prime example.

It is my personal opinion that this dealer should be avoided unless you are looking to purchase a slabbed coin. Even then, I find his prices high.

Just my 2 cents worth.
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I private mailed you the three possibilities
I said my highest ranking pos was cleaned
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 Posted 10/08/2005  3:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ętheling to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The black stuff is toning from the copper within the gold alloy.

GCL spake thusly; "By the way, he has rejected my refund."


Previouisly you said; "I think that was from when the coin
was made and wont come off."

Which means you've tried to get it off (with a fingernail as stated on another forum), which also explains;

"Its hard to tell if its a scratch"


Now would you refund such a coin? I personally would not.




Who recommended this dealer to you?

Gold coins are not cheap and I strongly advise in future you do some research into prices and know if a dealer is charging too much rather than getting buyer's regret later on, either because you don't like the coin or because you've realised it wasn't all it could be.




Edited by Ętheling
10/08/2005 3:59 pm
Rest in Peace
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 Posted 10/08/2005  4:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mike to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Your story has changed several times as pointed out by Ętheling. Write this one off as a learning experience and solicit advice before your next purchase. Never tamper with a coin you may return. Mike
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 Posted 10/08/2005  5:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add OldGoldKing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"Previouisly you said; "I think that was from when the coin
was made and wont come off.""

I DIDNT say that. The dealer told me this, that that was how it was made. Mike, please tell me how my story has changed. I did try to rub it off but there is no damage to the coin that I did, even under 10x magnification. So therefore I could return it, if he would accept it. It's not like I damaged the coin.
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 Posted 10/08/2005  5:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add OldGoldKing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by Ętheling

The black stuff is toning from the copper within the gold alloy.

GCL spake thusly; "By the way, he has rejected my refund."


Previouisly you said; "I think that was from when the coin
was made and wont come off."

Which means you've tried to get it off (with a fingernail as stated on another forum), which also explains;

"Its hard to tell if its a scratch"


Now would you refund such a coin? I personally would not.




Who recommended this dealer to you?

Gold coins are not cheap and I strongly advise in future you do some research into prices and know if a dealer is charging too much rather than getting buyer's regret later on, either because you don't like the coin or because you've realised it wasn't all it could be.








Um I did do research on this dealer, obvoiusly I was wrong. All I had was 98 dollars and he offered the coin for me for exactly that, I've found the coin cheaper at one place taxfreegold for 89 dollars. Other people on other forums told me he was reputable, and that they would even buy it sight unseen. Maybe it is toning, I dont' know. But you tend to always think the coin is perfect and I'm complaining about nothing. This coin dealer is shady to say the least, he won't accept my refund, and his coins are overgraded and my coin was cleaned.
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 Posted 10/08/2005  5:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Susanlynn9 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
With the advent of the internet, more coins (and many other items) are available than ever before. We used to be confined to whatever shops or shows we could find locally. Now, with the internet, we can buy from anywhere.

The advantages of purchasing over the internet come with a responsibility to learn about what we are buying. Most of us learned that the hard way. I would hazard a guess that 95% of our members who have purchased via the internet (this includes ebay) have been burned. Some of us got off cheaper than others. We all had to accept it and learn from it. While $98 seems like a lot of money to you, be grateful that you got your lesson so cheaply. I know of people who lost thousands in bad deals on the internet.

Given all of the information that has been given in this thread, I feel that all questions here have been answered. Please let's consider this thread a closed subject and move on to other subjects.

Thanks to all of you.
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