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Guess The Grade Of This Standing Liberty Quarter

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 Posted 08/07/2015  7:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gary to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the comments so far. Clarification: That cut on the right thigh is not a cut. It is the line between the sash buttons on the gown. It's part of the design and is on the die as made.
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 Posted 08/07/2015  8:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Aahz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Clarification: That cut on the right thigh is not a cut. It is the line between the sash buttons on the gown. It's part of the design and is on the die as made.

Well, I'll be danged - it is! But I thought it was a gouge because the angle of the line did not match the corresponding line on PhotoGrade.

However, it turns out I was looking at the Type I section on PhotoGrade! Oops... And as it turns out, that part of the design was altered between Type I and Type II, changing the angle of the slit on the gown. Once I pulled up a good, hi-res photo of a Type II, I could see that the slit matched the one in the OP's photo.

With that in mind, MS-65+ FH (maybe MS-66 FH if the grader is having a good day).

One interesting aspect to this coin is the severe die polishing on the reverse, presumably to minimize the clash image. The polishing was so severe, it nearly turned the E in "E PLURIBVS VNVM" to an F!
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 Posted 08/07/2015  8:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Night-Hawk to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
MS64FH - Nice looking coin
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 Posted 08/07/2015  8:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tryna to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry for the delay. I got home to a sick dog and of course the bed just seemed like a good place to lose his biscuits, so been a busy evening, He is okay. So...

I will go with MS 65 Full head. I do not think I have seen a nicer obverse. And I would not be surprised to find I missed it by 2 points
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 Posted 08/07/2015  10:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well struck, excellent surfaces. Nit-picky little imperfections, at a minimal level. MS-65FH, maybe even a 66.

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 Posted 08/07/2015  10:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add edweather to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
65FH, love the toes great looking coin.
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65FH, love the toes

Ahh Ed, I thought this was a family forum ?
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 Posted 08/08/2015  12:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gary to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks to all who responded to the question. Here is the grade assigned by PCGS. Maybe the grader was put off by all the clash marks and die polish lines. I have seen much higher graded coins that don't have the strike that this one does. It also has very few marks and nice luster.

I bought it because of the strike and eagle beak clash mark. This is the first reported eagle beak clash mark for this date. In order for the eagle beak clash mark to show up, the reverse die has to be rotated about 15 degrees or more when the dies clash because the beak would be under the shield if the dies were in the normal position. This particular coin was probably rotated approx 20 degrees when clashed thus making the eagle beak clash as big as it is.
Robert H. Knauss of " Standing Liberty quarter Varieties & Errors" book fame told me that this is the biggest eagle beak clash he has seen of any date. This particular coin did not have a rotated die when it was struck. I would imagine the reverse die was removed from the press to try and polish out the clash marks and put back in in the right position. The numerous die polish lines on the reverse attest to this happening. It is an interesting coin to say the least.






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 Posted 08/08/2015  12:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jpbone to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My knee jerk was 64+FH. Great coin.
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AWESOME coin!
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missed by two points. should have gone with my first thought I guess.
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 Posted 08/08/2015  1:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ChildOfTheWheat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think that it really is a 64+/65/66 coin tryna. I think this coin was under graded.
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I really think that is a re-grade candidate. Send it in, along with documentation about the die clash attribution as well as a request not to re-slab unless the grade is higher. I honestly think it will come back higher, and maybe even attributed on the slab.
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You wuz robbed!
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That's substantially undergraded.
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