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Do You Think We Will See The Penny Disappear?

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 Posted 09/16/2015  7:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nickelfinder311 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think they will get rid of it in 2059. That will make the Lincoln Cent 150 years old. With Congress/Protesters it will take awhile.
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 Posted 09/16/2015  8:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DmanofLV to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The facts are, NO, we will positively not see pennies disappear in the next 10 years. There are billions of them in coin collections and they will never disappear in our lifetime.
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I don't think the coins already minted are going to disappear, I think the OP was really interested in whether the cent would stop being minted anytime soon.

As for metal recovery possibilities I doubt the Mint would bother with the cent. First off the vast majority of cents in circulation (probably close to 90%) are zinc coated with a thin layer of copper. The metal recovered would likely be worth less than the expense of recovering and processing it. The Canadians are recovering copper and nickel from older coinage (pre-steel) but those metals have a better cost to value ratio. I could see the US trying to recover nickel and copper from the US 5-cent coin should they decide to switch to a different composition or eliminate the denomination but even that might be more trouble than it is worth.
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 Posted 09/17/2015  02:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GSDykes to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Dear JBuck

How much is the labor cost? I doubt that it is over 550,000 dollars, though it might be. But I still would like for you to tell me.
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oil companies ... charging an extra 9/10th of a cent on each gallon


Yeah, see this is the thing many people forget in these discussions and probably is forgotten when politicians discuss ridding the cent. the $X.009 is the tax on gasoline set by the federal government MANY years ago. when you remove the cent and/or nickel that will have to be rounded some how, and going from 9/1000th or a dollar to 1/10 of a dollar is some serious inflation!

blahblahblah..rounding blahblahblah.. you don't jsut buy a gallon of gas. Stopping anyone before they say that as they never mow their own lawns obviously. My lawn mower can't even hold a full gallon of gas!

Also someone mentioned the 2014 reports and the only thing I still find on the Mints new website is 2011 reports for coinage? can someone math for me if the penny was change to dime sized, nickle to penny size, and dime to nickel sized to make the coins get bigger as their value, within those costs and tell me what the cost of coins would be then? (Leaving aside it would mess with ALL coin counting machine and have to put people to work to actually learn to read coins like tellers and cashiers)

or tell me where to find these reports on the cost of each coin for 2014, or if buried in some 600 page headache, just pull out those costs per coin from 2014 so I can play with the math myself?

penny made of current penny materials but dime sized. nickel made of current nickel materials, but penny sized, and dime made of ? but nickel sized is the goal.

it isn't like this would hurt the blind that much because unless dealing with coins, which MOST businesses don't like to do, they are always at risk with paper or plastic money of being cheated.

And the dollar has shrunk to be smaller than the half, so maybe making a smaller penny would cut those costs per penny by a fair amount? (employees would still have to move the same weight of "coin sheets", coin blanks, and final coins so employment cost wouldnt change.)
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 Posted 09/17/2015  09:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add n9jig to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have just one word for that last one:





Huh?
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 Posted 09/17/2015  09:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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or tell me where to find these reports on the cost of each coin for 2014, or if buried in some 600 page headache, just pull out those costs per coin from 2014 so I can play with the math myself?


The 2014 annual report can be found here

http://www.usmint.gov/downloads/abo...alReport.pdf

Graph of the seigniorages by denomination for each year by denomination from 2006 to 2014 is on page 9. Loss on cents in 2014 was $53 million.

On page 10 it shows where they lost 67 cents for every $1 in cents issued.

Page 11 gives you the cost of materials. Material cost for each cent was 1.43 cents per cent.

Looks like the 1.8 cents apiece I mentioned earlier was from the 2013 report. They've managed to reduce it again down to 1.66 cents apiece.
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They may continue to strike the penny as a gold or silver proof for collectors.

Australian bronze 1c. and 2c. coins were discontinued for issue into circulation way back in 1991. They were struck again for inclusion in all gold and all silver proof sets for 2006.
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A 1909 S VDB in gold and 1914 D in silver might be interesting. Do up the dies as close to the originals as they can.........
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 Posted 09/17/2015  12:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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How much is the labor cost? I doubt that it is over 550,000 dollars, though it might be. But I still would like for you to tell me.
Presses cost money. Dies cost money. Workers cost money. Trucks cost money. Electricity costs money. Buildings cost money. Get it?


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I have just one word for that last one:

Huh?
Yup.

Oh, Shadz, you still do not understand how rounding works.
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Yeah, see this is the thing many people forget in these discussions and probably is forgotten when politicians discuss ridding the cent. the $X.009 is the tax on gasoline set by the federal government MANY years ago.


The 9/10's doesn't have anything to do with tax. As I recall, it originated from two early gas stations having a price war. If you google it, I'm sure it will come up.
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 Posted 09/17/2015  6:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DmanofLV to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The exact question was "Will pennies disappear in the next 10 years" The factual answer is NO, they will not. As for if they will disappear from circulation in the next 10 years, that was not the question. If I had to answer the question that way, I would say it is possible but nobody can predict what the government is going to do.
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 Posted 09/17/2015  11:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GSDykes to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Graph of the seigniorages by denomination for each year by denomination from 2006 to 2014 is on page 9. Loss on cents in 2014 was $53 million.


Thanks "Conder", I remember now there is a large 2014 report available. Stirring my gray cells more (or is that "cell"?) I realize that as JBuck said, the labor cost is way beyond my 550,000 guess.
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Page 11 gives you the cost of materials. Material cost for each cent was 1.43 cents per cent.


Thanks. sadly the report is in too new a PDF format for me to use, and I wont corrupt my full version with the new reader cause I need the full version too much, so I will have to see if I can find some way to read it. (maybe copy it over to my tablet and read it there?)

@Gas Tax, ... No, it came about when the government wanted a cut of the gasoline and asked for 3/10 a cent per gallon, and the oil companies weren't going to just take it and passed it along to the customer. then someone figured $0.40 looked a lot more than $0.399 because people saw the latter and though "oh $0.39" and it was 1 cent cheaper. so the 910th became the end. so that extra cent that was added per gallon to cover federal an stae each geting 3/10 was reduce down to 9/*10th so state, federal, and gas company each get their share of that 9/10th.

So yeah, part of it is gas tax, and in 2011 the tax per gallon of gas was 18.4 cents.
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 Posted 09/18/2015  07:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add n9jig to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The fact that gasoline prices end in .9 cents has nothing to do with taxes at all. It is merely to make gas look cheaper, as you say 39.9 looks less than 40.

If there were no taxes on gasoline at all the prices would still end in .9 cents (or .xx9 dollars. It is totally a marketing gimmick and the sales total in rounded off to the nearest cent regardless of taxes. Gasoline is one of the few products sold in the US at a displayed price that includes all taxes.

As for your PDF issues, you can install a newer version of Adobe Reader and still maintain your older version of Acrobat. Just pick one or the other as the default and open other version files using the "Open With" right-click option or open it within the application. Just like rounding, it is very simple and people do it all the time.
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