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2016 Mark Twain Gold Half Eagle

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 Posted 02/01/2016  5:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stampvirgin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
ofd.. ones spiritual views usually lead them into certain positions and political views.
Which is why I asked. Your statements would suggest you are, because of your opposition to IGWT.

But, to make it plain as to my point of this conversation ... "Render unto Caesar what is Caesars "

Since IGWT has become a mainstay of currency of the USA, I say just leave it alone.
It is after all a 'religious' issue, or else atheists wouldn't be pushing to have it removed.


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 Posted 02/01/2016  6:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The irony of having IGWT on coins celebrating Twain is the discussion, not the personal views of members. It is Probably best we leave the more political aspects of this discussion to another venue.

Play nice.
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 Posted 02/02/2016  07:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stampvirgin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
to all especially One fine dime..

my apologies for going off topic on this thread.

After reading Jbucks post and re-reading the initial posts, I see I went off on a tangent.

The poster who posted the atheist lawsuit, threw me off. Only because, they (atheists) want to remove IGWT for their religious (or lack thereof) reasons.
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 Posted 02/02/2016  11:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add one_fine_dime to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
stampvirgin - thanks.

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my apologies if this post may be perceived as a continuation of an off-topic tangent. I think a healthy debate nurtures critical thinking.
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 Posted 02/02/2016  12:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No problem. Feel free to join in the IGWT discussion here...

https://goccf.com/t/252118

Please note, it is in the General Discussion Forum and you will have to opt-in for access.
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 Posted 02/20/2016  5:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stampvirgin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I just looked at the mint website..
this coin is up to 400.45 now..
I am so glad I got mine a 359.00
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 Posted 02/20/2016  7:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CelticKnot to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah, that's an 11.5% increase. Pretty significant at that level.
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 Posted 03/05/2016  02:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add freddo30 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you like them or collect the series buy them , but please don't yell at me : IMHO :

The $5 gold - I don't think a chunky copy of a portrait and an inaccurate representation of a boat can be called "design".

The Dollar obv portrait looks like an alien and the rev confusing unless one is intimately familiar with Twain's fiction.

Today's gold price places the gold melt at $285, and the Dollar at $12 ; $594 worth of metal for $900 if one purchases all 4 coins. Plus postage. I've handed over more money than I can count to the government in so many ways that I'm not anxious to forfeit another $306 which will likely not recover unless gold increases substantially and stays ahead of inflation.

I think these will wind up in the dumpster beside the multitude of disappointing previous modern commemoratives that sell for a tiny premium over metal value. These coins have simply not stood the test of time with just a few exceptions based solely upon low mintage figures (read : lack of interest at time of issue) with even the few key dates such as Jackie Robinson BU $5 now available at 1/3 of its peak of a few years past. There seems to be about 5,000 serious collectors of the series and I doubt that number will ever increase for several reasons.
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 Posted 03/05/2016  03:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CelticKnot to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No yelling here, freddo30, but a couple of questions:

1. Do you believe these coins cost zero dollars to mint? Of course you don't, but what's your definition of reasonable? And...
2. Have you compared the US Commem premiums to the premiums other world mints charge for their PM/Commem coins?

As to the portrait likeness and design choices...well, matter of opinion of course, and you are certainly entitled to yours. I think many share your opinion on the Twain coin designs. I wasn't initially sold on the $1 silver, but in hand, I have to admit the ship has come about (ahem). As for the gold, I liked that one from the initial online images and it's even nicer in hand. I think they did an amazing job with the small amount of real estate they had to work with.

My only minor design complaint is the IGWT.

If you ever happen upon it, let me know where this dumpster of joy is with all the modern commemoratives that people are discarding.
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 Posted 03/05/2016  11:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 01GTB to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would imagine for every person that dislikes them, there's someone who likes them. I will start looking in trash cans though
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I would imagine for every person that dislikes them, there's someone who likes them.

Very true. (And there's nothing wrong with that.)
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 Posted 03/05/2016  12:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add freddo30 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't intend to absorb the government's manufacturing cost if there's little or no hope of financial recovery. I was in the manufacturing business for over forty years, successfully, and know more than I ever wanted to learn about that.
I don't care about other mints or world coins and I'll be sure not to use common vernacular terms like "dumpster" when referring to economic down cycles. Proper Grammar 101 from now on for you folks.
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 Posted 03/08/2016  12:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CelticKnot to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If the bottom line is your focus then you're an investor more so than a collector, which is perfectly fine. Collect what and how you like, as I always say. Please understand that others buy these coins for the joy of it and aren't looking to sell or recoup their money.

And if the Internet has taught us anything, expect a counter opinion when you express one of your own.

Oh, and I do attempt to use proper grammar whenever I can. I was just poking fun at your hyperbole.


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Collect what and how you like, as I always say. Please understand that others buy these coins for the joy of it and aren't looking to sell or recoup their money.
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