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that maple leaf Eclipse of the Sun, the veins on the maple leaf look exactly like the Chinese knock-offs. that is not genuine veins ..
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that maple leaf Eclipse of the Sun, the veins on the maple leaf look exactly like the Chinese knock-offs. that is not genuine veins .. Valid point... but assuming , that part of the production are genuine SMLs, the real value very easy to check: **nor manufacturer neither distributor will accept return **the dealers will take them, but will offer melt only |
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that maple leaf Eclipse of the Sun, the veins on the maple leaf look exactly like the Chinese knock-offs. that is not genuine veins .. Could it be just the colour combination? I compared the veins closely to another maple and they look genuine to me, but then I'm no expert. What am I missing? I can't believe The Coin Shoppe would be selling fakes. |
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that maple leaf Eclipse of the Sun, the veins on the maple leaf look exactly like the Chinese knock-offs. that is not genuine veins .. Maybe that is the paint? But I wonder if anyone who bought these Post Mint Customized coins have ever open the capsule to weight or test the coins. It seems very easy to use fake maples or bullion for these, most people think their coins are precious and won't open the capsule to check... |
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They are not fake lol, really? It would only take a few "fakes" and that enhancement company would be out of business, I don't think they would chance that, no reason to really a real SML is what 20 to 25 bucks, these sell for $100 plus.
Its just the rose gold on the leaf making the veins stand out.
Thats my take on it at least...
Plus thats not a picture of the actual coin, in hand real coin will look different then that pre released image.
I kinda like them actually. 888 mintage isn't very high.
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03/10/2016 11:05 pm
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It would only take a few "fakes" and that enhancement company would be out of business, Not necessary the fakes - too risky to deal with the law. But this "enchantment company" might be running by very business-oriented 4 people (materials buyer, printer, painting machine aka "ruthenium layering" operator, and sales person) in some small rented warehouse, and they for sure do not give any warranty. People have the COAs for this - does the COA mentions this manufacturer? |
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But this "enchantment company" might be running by very business-oriented 4 people (materials buyer, printer, painting machine aka "ruthenium layering" operator, and sales person) in some small rented warehouse, and they for sure do not give any warranty.
People have the COAs for this - does the COA mentions this manufacturer? You know the RCM could blow these guy out of the water, I don't know why they don't make their own "enhanced" SML , I mean which would you rather buy one of these or a RCM enhanced coin in a maroon clamshell with RCM coa? They have a cheaper supply of SMLs for one, they are quite popular for second. I am surprised they have not put on some already, but they need to keep the mintage low which is something they don't seem to like to do. |
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You raised a valid points, Northerncoins. I would buy whatever "more authentic", good designed and priced. RCM does try to mint "enchanced" bullion: Reverse Proof SML Bullion Replica and Proof Whildlife of the North coins. The idea was good. But....well, as you mentioned, with the prices as CAD 79 - 89, these coins minted in the 7.5K - 20K mintages. And except the mintage - not enough gimmick (no fire or ice or other planets and other Pokemon related stuff). |
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Its just the rose gold on the leaf making the veins stand out.
Thats my take on it at least... That's how I see it, too. I like it...bought one. The Coin Shoppe doesn't sell fakes. |
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Well, I am not saying this particular dealer is selling fake, I am saying counterfeiters could use fake SML to make "fake" customized coins, and it would be more difficult to tell them apart with the coin being in a capsule, with paint and PMD on top of the coin. And I am curious... who are these people or company that is doing the customization? Do they have a name or a webpage that people can look up online? If someone bought one of these coins, and want to check if the coin is really a "genuine" product, how can they contact these companies to follow up? |
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True, no words here, The Coin Shoppe one of the youngest coin business here, but his webpage worth to be in the Favorites, while the shopping experience is always A+.
But, this doesn't cancel the fact, that the item with all it's happy modification became looking like painted fake (the veins of the Maple Leaf).
Well, people collect different stuff, so - let it be, interesting to observe how many same style series will be issued.
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i was in no way inferring that the coin in the photo was or is a fake, I was just pointing out the veins on the leaf make it "appear" to look fake. I have bought lots of coins from the coin shoppe and never had any issues.
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Quote:You raised a valid points, Northerncoins. I would buy whatever "more authentic", good designed and priced. RCM does try to mint "enchanced" bullion: Reverse Proof SML Bullion Replica and Proof Whildlife of the North coins. The idea was good. But....well, as you mentioned, with the prices as CAD 79 - 89, these coins minted in the 7.5K - 20K mintages. And except the mintage - not enough gimmick (no fire or ice or other planets and other Pokemon related stuff). Well they dont even need to make new dies like they do with those coins. Only thing is , its illegal to "deface" a Canadian coin that is "legal tender" so maybe there is some legality issue for the RCM to "modify" or " enhance" the coins " in Canada" , I don't know... Where those outside Canada can do what they like with Canadian coins. I think its a dumb law for "every type" of Canadian coin, such as bullion and NCLTs or pre 1970 coins made from silver which they pull out of circulation to melt anyways, plus the penny which is no longer made. I can see the need to have this law for regular circulation coins for sure but not these other coins. Here is the Currency act. Quote:Current Coins Marginal note:Current coins 7 (1) A coin is current for the amount of its denomination in the currency of Canada if it was issued under the authority of (a) the Royal Canadian Mint Act; or (b) the Crown in any province of Canada before it became part of Canada and if the coin was, immediately before October 15, 1952, current and legal tender in Canada. Defaced coins not current (2) No coin that is bent, mutilated or defaced, or that has been reduced in weight otherwise than by abrasion through ordinary use, shall pass current. Legal Tender Marginal note:Legal tender 8 (1) Subject to this section, a tender of payment of money is a legal tender if it is made (a) in coins that are current under section 7; and (b) in notes issued by the Bank of Canada pursuant to the Bank of Canada Act intended for circulation in Canada. Melting down coins 11 (1) No person shall, except in accordance with a licence granted by the Minister, melt down, break up or use otherwise than as currency any coin that is current and legal tender in Canada. Marginal note:Offence and punishment (2) Every person who contravenes subsection (1) or any condition attached to a licence referred to in that subsection is liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding two hundred and fifty dollars or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding twelve months or to both, and, in addition to any fine or imprisonment imposed, the court may order that the articles by means of or in relation to which the offence was committed be forfeited to Her Majesty. http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/.../page-1.htmlBut it doesn't specifically state that "painting a coin" is actually defacing a coin, or does it? Lol Edited by Northerncoins
03/11/2016 09:51 am
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not sure if it has been mentioned here before but RCM does have the Perth Mint Odin subscription on their website. Just enter "odin" in the search box |
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Quote:not sure if it has been mentioned here before but RCM does have the Perth Mint Odin subscription on their website. Just enter "odin" in the search box The RCM is selling a series produced by the New Zealand mint, not the Perth Mint. The Perth Mint has a similar series but they are not the same. |
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