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Fake Walker Half Dollar

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 Posted 03/22/2008  9:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Yinzi50 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"They used to be made of Lead or a Lead Alloy"

Carl, I like the idea of "Lead Alloy'. The color does remind me of the lead bench I used to work on in an old science lab.

graceoutcast: Thanks for pointing the link for me so I can post a pic.

Thank others for your comments.
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 Posted 03/22/2008  9:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add toniblab to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
i remeber the chinese conterfit the seated lib dollar before the 1900's in lead.
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 Posted 03/25/2008  3:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
From the picture I'd definitely say a contemporary counterfeit
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 Posted 03/25/2008  4:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jeremymh to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would also say that it is a counterfeit
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 Posted 03/25/2008  5:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mycrob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Folks, are you basing this counterfeit solely on the weight (which itself is a dead giveaway)? If you based it solely on the picture, can you point out to me, so I can learn, what diagnostic features on the coin proove it is counterfeit? Thanks
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 Posted 03/25/2008  6:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Yinzi50 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
After a little research, the material made this coin must be lead based alloy. I would guess lead + zinc becuase of their prices.

see following link for more about counterfeits: http://rg.ancients.info/guide/counterfeits.html

Yes, weight is sure a deadly give-away. I bought an AMW-100 pocket balance for less than $20 to weigh coins whenever I had a suspicion. I witnessed at a coin show about a fake dollar coin which just weighed about 21 gram (if it's real, it should be around 26g).

From my limited experience(two coins I saw in person)lead based coins have a very dull color compared to silver coins. But I would always weigh the coin. Once I found a 1964 half which was so dirty and covered with stuff. But the weight was 12.5g. Ha-ha!
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 Posted 03/25/2008  7:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Yinzi50 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am still wondering the history of this counterfeit.

Why such a popular date 1945?

Was it made 60 years ago while 50C was a lot of money (was it a lot)?

Was it made recently by an apprentice in order to graduate out of the International Counterfeit Coin Work-shop?

How many were made? Where?

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 Posted 03/25/2008  10:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kabiye_Lady to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here's my stab at your question.

1. Yes, it was a lot of money. Silver dollars were rare in circulation, so the Half Dollar was the highest denomination that circulated. I imagine it bought a lot back then.

2. If you're counterfeiting so that you can pass off the coins in circulation, you are going to use a very common date that will not arouse suspicion. Why would you counterfeit a whole bunch of 1938-D's? Even though they're worth a lot more from a numismatic standpoint, how are you going to get rid of a bunch of them? You can't walk into a coin shop and offer to sell 40 key-date 1938-D's to the coin dealer.

3. These counterfeits could have been made anywhere in the world. If you're in Europe doing this, the date isn't important to you at all.
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 Posted 03/25/2008  11:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dyna_Willie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Have you determined it's today worth?
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 Posted 03/26/2008  01:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1sikevo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks cast to me
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 Posted 03/26/2008  05:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add deadmunny to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Some of the fake coins like the Magician's coin you can pry apart and another coin (Mexican mentioned a lot) is found underneath.
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 Posted 03/26/2008  09:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add x78089 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow, that is lamost cooler than finding a real 1945 walker. I would keep that, just document it well for posterity lol.
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 Posted 03/26/2008  6:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Yinzi50 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Kabiye_Lady: Thanks for your answers. They make a lot of sense. That coin is older than my parents so I have no clue.

Dyna_Willie: I have not determined how much it worth to a counterfeit collector. I could not find a second one on ebay.
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