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Venezuelan Currency Collapse

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 Posted 04/05/2019  10:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add walk2dwater to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Try to imagine a store where they don't want to put prices on the goods, or a job where the purchasing value of your salary declines by 50% every month.Hordes of people lose their savings, jobs, etc. This is well documented.


Well put "oriole"

It would be a "living nightmare" especially if one didn't have some kind of access to fresh food, petro, or something one could barter with. While the police and military can try to enforce 'martial law' I believe it would lead to extreme crime, corruption and lawlessness.
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@walk2dwater

That whole scenario would be a nightmare, and IS one for some people.

Society only works if the majority agree to conform to reasonable standards of behaviour. When I worked in a large town in the UK, the ratio of active officers ( not counting desk warriors ! ) to population was reduced by the 2008 financial crisis to about 1 : 10,000. With numbers like that, how can you enforce good behaviour if a significant sized group decides to cause trouble?

Any financial pressure on the population due to the economy would impact on the police and army also. Keeping them loyal would cost more money. You could try the Zimbabwean solution of printing lots more money to pay your security forces, but look where that ended up.
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Yes, it is a very bad thing. Commerce becomes very difficult. Try to imagine a store where they don't want to put prices on the goods, or a job where the purchasing value of your salary declines by 50% every month.Hordes of people lose their savings, jobs, etc.


Yes, I agree. However, did fiat currency help, hurt or neither? I am not speaking on a personal level, but a national policy level. When your currency has no intrinsic value whatsoever, collapse that reaches to every single citizen is possible no matter how much "cash" they have. Others see it differently, but I believe these crises are examples that need to be used/referenced to change our monetary system to something of real, intrinsic value. Fiat is a form of control, and that's where I'll leave my comments.
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 Posted 04/30/2019  6:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CelticKnot to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The cauldron is quickly heading to a boil...

https://venezuelanalysis.com/news/14451
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Interesting article on how Bolivars are being repurposed:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...k-notes.html

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Haven't heard much about Venezuela's currency inflation lately...still surging?

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Haven't heard much about Venezuela's currency inflation lately...still surging?

The latest data I can find (for April of this year) indicates that the rate of inflation has actually backed off a bit to "only" 1.3 million percent....

See: https://tradingeconomics.com/venezu...nflation-cpi

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Wow...shades of Zimbabwe.

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Wow...shades of Zimbabwe.

The difference being (as noted earlier in this thread) that the Venezuelan government's decision last year to simply drop five of the accumulating zeroes means that there won't be notes denominated in trillions of Bolivars.

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Interesting article, thanks for posting that CelticKnot.
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Looks like they're not even trying much now, all notes look the same, what's the point spending money on something that'll be out of date in 3 minutes?
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 Posted 06/29/2019  9:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kopper Ken to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Are there other more stable currencies operating underground (black market)?

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Article addressing the question posed above by Kopper Ken :

https://www.investopedia.com/articl...k-market.asp

Back to Venezuela specifically, this article just published, while not directly related to the country's currency per se, certainly suggests a final disintegration of its finances is imminent:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...dUSKBN1Z92I2

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