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1713 Circa Gold Spanish Colonial Coin Help

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 Posted 02/06/2018  11:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add salazarspanish to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Lol, I know. They told me what they would buy it for but encouraged me to sell it elsewhere or keep it in my collection. They said buying it over X price isn't worth it for them. They were 100% honest with me. Don't worry, I'm not selling it. As an amateur collector, the coin is priceless. The reason I asked for the value and grade is completely out of interest.

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 Posted 02/07/2018  12:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add realeswatcher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I remember him using some kind of scale to measure the gold in the coin.

Do you mean a desktop XRF machine - something like this below? They zap the coin and it gives you the proportion of each element/metal present. Did he mention the exact gold percentage?
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So, the 21mm or so size is correct for what is in fact visible on the piece itself - a denomination of horizontal "II" for 2 Escudos. That 6.9g weight is at the high end of the range, but acceptable. The surfaces look proper... and we've been told it's actual gold. From everything we have here, I'm seeing a genuine piece.

The style is certainly Mexico 1711-1713... and 1713 specifically looks accurate. Curious that whoever marked the holder had the dating right but mismarked (or misread) the denomination.

This style/date of Mexico gold is almost certainly a find from the 1715 Fleet... and numerous replicas and/or fakes have been made of various 1715 Fleet gold (and silver) finds almost since they started bring it up in the 1960s. As such, you have to basically assume not genuine and work backwards to prove otherwise. In this case, I think we are dealing with a genuine piece.
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Yes, that seems to be the device he used. Although I can't remember the exact reading, it was one of the deciding factors that made the piece genuine.

As far as mistaking it for a 1 Escudo, this seems to be common. For example, I posted the coin on redit (where I didn't get much help), and someone said it was a 1 Escudo. Additionally, the LCS employee thought it might be a 1 Escudo at first, but had to look it up in a guidebook.

Seeing as it is authentic (according to professional opinion), I plan to get the coin graded by PCGS or NGC. However, I don't want to do it myself. I'm contacting the LCS to see if they'll mail it in for me at a fee. Honestly, I don't fully trust myself handling the coin; the slightest drop or scratch might ruin it.

Thank you for your interest in the matter, you've been very helpful!
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