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David, in a few of my 73 D's it almost appears that Lincoln's back is Doubled. I'll try to find one and snap a few pics.
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You're very welcome Stoneman237 and thank you for the additional information! I'll check the obverse later. Jim, that sounds pretty interesting! I would love to see pictures.  Errers and Varietys.
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05/25/2018 5:22 pm
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I concur with stoneman re thanks for the bring back, E&V.. I do have two rolls of supposed OBW '73-D (they aren't, of course - very obviously been opened.. Are pre-zinc mems becoming modern-day wheats as far as un-searched rolls go..?) that were included in a multi-roll purchase of mixed date OBW LMC -- which would have been truth in advertising if OBW stood for Original Bank Wrappers instead of... I'll go through them next to see what shows up.. I have only an hour-at-most per evening to actually look at stuff, and at the moment I'm less-than-halfway on a roll of 2018 plain that's giving up some nice but small cheek die cracks with (choose one of three possibilities;) dast I say retained die chip..? If it wasn't for those I'd sweep the deck 'n start right in on the '73s.. Swamp PS to stoneman: What are the other dates/MMs you've come across so far, thanks. |
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You're very welcome da Swampster! Take your time going through those rolls. I got very lucky and found 6 of these from all 3 OBW bankrolls of 1973 D. I would only keep them if they look like my examples.
Errers and Varietys.
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I'll have to check the date, but I believe I found one of these in a earlier die stage not too long ago. I will post tonight when I get back to the house. I was actually going to throw it up at some point and ask you guys what y'all thought of it and what might be going on. When I first hit it with the hand lens it was so brilliant it looked like the whole West Wing was on fire so that's what I was sort of calling it to keep track of it Fire In The West Wing...( obvious misnomer, but I thought it was still kind of fun)   Edited by CouchDiver1978
11/27/2018 08:31 am
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  Btw... to Errers and Varieties, I do all right with my setup but your images are absolutely fantastic! Edited by CouchDiver1978
11/27/2018 10:23 am
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CouchDiver1978, I believe you have the beginning of the Recurring Die Subsidence error. Good find! Quote:
Btw... to Errers and Varieties, I do all right with my setup but your images are absolutely fantastic! Thank you man! You can get the Plugable USB microscope here. It's fairly cheap to buy. This is the one I have. 262361512520Errers and Varietys.
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Thank you once again CouchDiver1978! If you find anymore of these Recurring Die Subsidence errors, hold onto them.
Errers and Varietys.
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Coop, thank you very much for the link! You've been super helpful not only to me, but to the other CCF members as well.  Errers and Varietys.
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More food for thought. When trouble shooting networks, computers, automobiles or anything that suddenly seems out of the norm. I often ask myself, did something change prior to the symptom? For die change reference only I'm adding a few things that may or may not be related. In 1973 RDV-003 was introduced for this year only. http://www.varietyvista.com/01b%20L...arieties.htmThe lugs that aided die alignment that were previously removed in 1969 due to hubbing issues were reintroduced in 1973. Some history from Wexler Die Varieties http://doubleddie.com/58222.htmlQuote:After the production of the famous 1955 Lincoln Cent Die #1 doubled die variety with an extremely strong spread to the doubling, the Mint took measures to prevent such widespread doubled dies from ever happening again. They placed lugs around the rim of the dies and hubs so that the images on the hub and partially completed working die would align properly when they were placed in the hubbing chamber. These lugs were raised on the working die and they were depressed indentations on the working hub.  Quote:This photo illustrates a working hub that was created for the Lincoln Cent reverse. If you look carefully, you can see that the images on the face of the working hub are raised and look just like they will appear on the struck coins. The arrows point to grooves along the edge of the hub. The lugs on the working die will fit into these grooves to allow proper alignment of the working hub and the working die when more than one hubbing is needed to complete a satisfactory image on the hub or die being made.  Quote:This is a working die (left) for the reverse of the Lincoln Cent as it appears after being hubbed. Notice that the design is reversed from what you will see on the struck coins. Though difficult to see in the photo, the design is depressed (incuse) in the working die. Arrows point to the raised areas (lugs) around the rim that align to the grooves of the working hub. To the right of the working die we can see some more blank steel rods that can be used to make master dies, working hubs, or working dies. In 1969 the Mint modified the obverse design for the Lincoln Cent. As a result of those changes, they experienced difficulty in getting satisfactory impressions in the working dies. To remedy the problem they removed the lugs from the hubs and dies to allow for deeper penetration of the hub into the die. This did fix the problem and allowed the deeper penetration of the hub into the die, but it opened up the possibility of doubled dies again being created with strong spreads. It didn't take long for the consequences of this decision to be felt. In 1969 a major doubled die was produced for the 1969-S Lincoln cents. Another major doubled die was produced for the 1970-S Lincoln cents. Several doubled dies found their way into production for the 1971 Lincoln cents with two major varieties known for the 1971-S proof cents. The dam broke in 1972 and several doubled die varieties were produced for the Lincoln cents from all three Mints including a major doubled die for the obverse of the P-Mint cents. During this period of time significant doubled dies were being produced for other denominations as well. After the flood of doubled die varieties in 1972 and all of the publicity that they generated, the Mint returned to the practice of placing the lugs around the hubs and dies. Wondering if eight different working dies exhibit the anomaly in the same location might point to a working hub passing on a hubbing symptom to some of the working dies. Thanks, Doug. Edited by Halo1st
11/30/2018 2:58 pm
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Hello,
I first noticed this error on several of my 1974 cents was desperately searching to see what was going on. I found the link describing the error on 1973 cents and sure enough I went back to those and found several - haven't searched all yet.
Do you think there's any premium for these, since I probably have several more than I need for my album.
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Please post your coins in your own thread (and one coin per thread, please) Thanks.  to the CCF!  |
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