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 Posted 02/02/2018  2:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gramps76 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, that's why even knowing as little as I do I would not want to dip a whole coin. I just wanted to remove a tiny bit of black spot from the outer edge of an otherwise beautiful coin. Just like everything else in life what at first appears to be a an obvious easy fix could actually be a huge problem. It may be hard for others to understand but I didn't purchase these coins knowing they had these spots, that would be an entirely different story and perfectly acceptable. I know what they were and despite others saying they aren't ruined...which I'm sure they're not, they are ruined to me to a certain extent. This is all based on emotion, not value. If I were to show these to anyone other than people knowledgeable about coins they would get the same impression as I did. What a beautiful bunch of coins, too bad they got ruined with all those black spots. Again, to you guys they're not ruined, to some collector they're just unattractive, to me their beauty is ruined. That's just an honest answer and there is nothing I can do to change that opinion. I would much rather the toning have been in a larger area believe it or not. This looks just like what it is, beautiful coins with defined black as coal spots from holes in the plastic holders. I will just have to accept that, but it's not easy. Please understand their only value to me is in their beauty, not how much money they're worth. That being said I don't have the heart to literally ruin them just so they look pretty. It's a no win situation emotionally. I know I sound like a crazy person to collectors over little black spots but that's just how I feel about it. Thanks.
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 Posted 02/02/2018  5:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gramps76 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The holders I purchased are cardboard coin flips. The description says they are archival safe polypropylene (not PVC). Is this what you would recommend? I also bought what looks like loose leaf binders and what they claim are high quality polypropylene pages. I think this will be a better option as previously the coins were stored rather tightly in rectangular boxes. I think a lot of the damage may have come from when the coins were put into these boxes too tightly, which made holes in the plastic. Another question, would it be better to use tape to seal the holders as opposed to staples? The staples may have caused holes in the plastic too. Thanks.
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 Posted 02/02/2018  5:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The holders and pages that you bought should be fine.

I have no problem with using staples. Some of my coins have been in 2x2s for well over thirty years now.

As you mentioned in the beginning, being stored in the attic (no climate control) was the real problem. Nothing is going to remain pristine up there long term.
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Gramps76, from reading what you have wrote, it seems like you don't like hearing some of the sound advise you're getting here. I'll state again what I posted here just a bit ago... what's the harm in saving a few pieces rather than throwing them all back in the basement for someone inheriting them to deal with someday?

I happen to also know about collector cars as you do, and I know about tracking down NOS parts and rebuilding a precious baby. So, let's approach this subject from that viewpoint. Your beautiful, original "baby" is sitting in your garage and much to your dismay, there on the fender of your car, atop your beautiful original paint job is a hunk of ugly black tar. Do you just close the garage door, anguished and troubled about the issue, or do you figure it out, to at least stop the problem from growing worse?

Bring your coins out and enjoy them is my advise, to honour your grandfather... or just get rid of them so someone else can enjoy them. But please, don't just throw them back into the same conditions you found them in.

Seems you asked and haven't liked our answers.
Best of luck to you.
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Gramps76 can we see some pics of the ones you cleaned ? Just curious what they look like.
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 Posted 02/02/2018  7:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gramps76 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't like the answers but that has nothing to do with the people answering them. I appreciate the truth. As I've previously stated I wish the answers were different but that isn't anyone's fault, that's just the situation. If you are new to something and you don't understand the reasoning you ask a lot of questions. Put yourself in my position, not knowing anything about coins and hearing that you should never attempt to do anything other than look at them or pay someone to fix what seams like an insignificant mark. Well wouldn't you want to know everything you could about those answers? I do. I believe it goes against most peoples logic to not clean off a spot on a coin, or any other object......unless you know about the coin hobby. Three days, that's what I know. I came here to ask questions and get answers and that has been successful. I have no basis for, nor have I argued that any of the input people have given me is wrong. I just want to understand all the options, especially when dealing with my specific situation. I like details, that's just the way I am. For instance I never knew people cleaned coins in an attempt to fool people they were selling them to into paying a higher price. I never knew that altering the extreme rim of a coins color could destroy its value. Now I do. If someone tells me just don't do something just because...I don't accept that. I want to know why.
In the last few days thankfully the people here have gone beyond the just don't do it because, and I appreciate that. I have learned from that some of the reasoning behind that sentiment.. I don't like the answers I've gotten but that has nothing to do with the people who have given them, they're being honest which is all I could ask. I've been reading all over the internet about this and the answers here are consistent with everywhere else. I still don't like it but I am gaining knowledge about what the pitfalls are when messing with coins. Never suspected any of it.
If my car had tar on it I would remove it. I know how to do that but if I didn't I would find out how. I would find out the best procedure for removing that tar and proceed to do it. If there were damage I wasn't confident in at least attempting to remedy myself I would take it to a professional. Again, please remember I have never been in a situation where I was advised not to attempt any kind of repair. I now know that in the world of coins that is the case. That does not come naturally to me and I don't think a few days of wanting to know the specifics of why is over the top. I'm trying to do the right thing by these coins. I'm not selling them and I have no children to leave them to so I could just as easily avoid all the questions and shine them up nice and pretty.....but instead I'm asking questions. I have no interest in permanently harming them. Thank you
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 Posted 02/02/2018  7:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gramps76 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sure. I spent over two hours with a magnifier, slowly manipulating and constantly checking for scratches on this coin. It was very black. A lot still remains but it looks better to me. I didn't put the scratches in the upper left, they were there already.If I knew how to approach it I think I could do a decent job. There were black marks at 7, 9, and 2 o'clock. The brightness across the coin is from the overhead light, the surface looks the same to me as before I touched it.I could see no way of getting inside and around the letters O and D in God without doing damage, but the rest of that area was very black. I have no plans to do this to all my coins by the way, but I wanted to try something on this one to just to see if I could limit the damage. Thanks.
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I should have taken a photo before. It wasn't a perfect coin. The surface under magnification showed marks before I touched it. I was only at the very edge, the lines near the back of his head at 9 o'clock are not from me. Thanks.
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Looks like you did a pretty good job. Yeah before and after would've been nice.
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I don't know why I've had you and your situation on my mind so much since I discovered this thread. Might have something to do with the fact that you're being so honest yet so hard on yourself and I'd like to help in some way. Maybe I'm envious of your relationship you had with your grandfather. My family tree has lots of broken branches (divorces) so I never really had any grandparent that I was able to become close with.

I understand how patient both sides of this are being. You are coming from a place of emotional regret and some parties here don't understand that. It's been less than a week. Maybe put everything neatly off to the side for several days.

I truly hope you find joy in putting your coins in the new 2 by 2s. Sometimes when I'm faced with a daunting or overwhelming task I tend to shut down somewhat. Once I start though I realize that it wasn't as bad as I had made it out in my mind to be.

I have not been a member of this Forum for very long but I can say, as I think you've noticed, most everyone here at the CCF has their heart in the right place. Some want you to do what's right by the coins and that might not be what's best for you. For what it's worth, I believe that your grandfather would only want you to be happy. Since you've chosen to come here and very honestly and openly share some of us may feel as though we are a very small part your story. Please keep sharing how things are going as you progress with your decision making process.
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 Posted 02/03/2018  08:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gramps76 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for the kind words. Yes I feel tremendous guilt that my naivety allowed the coins to be stored improperly. There have been many times over the years when my Mom would tell me to just sell those coins. Fortunately I never got to the point where I needed money bad enough to consider it. I was happy knowing they were just there, undisturbed as my Grandfather had left them. The sad thing is my one relative who inherited part of the collection probably had them sold in bulk as soon as she got her hands on them. She was his daughter and he was barely cold before she wanted that coin collection divided up. She wasn't poor, she just succumbed to the pull of the mighty dollar. She sold those coins over 40 years ago and ironically wherever they are now I'm sure they are still in their original pristine condition. So being in the hands of a greedy individual has worked out better for those coins. I can't sell them. I'll keep all the old holders with his writing on them when I switch them over.
Right now even that is not even a priority as I have other projects I'm working on and the coins are no longer in an attic. A fire isn't under me to do anything with them, just get them out of the humidity.

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I'd use a pure acetone bath, though make sure it is what it says it is.
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I put Acetone on that half dollar after I was done with it. I received my holders today so in the near future I'll start transferring my coins into new holders. What I have noticed that has made me happy is all the smaller coins still appear to be perfect. I mean nickels, dimes, and pennies. The plastic on those holders don't seem to be compromised. There are proof pennies that still look brand new. Some pennies are dark but I think they're just so old that's how they went into the holders originally.I think the larger coins being thicker tore the plastic when being squeezed into the boxes. I'm tempted to leave the smaller ones in their current holders as they still look great.
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Very happy the smaller coins appear to have come through quite well. Stored in the same exact conditions for the same amount of time. The big difference....no holes in the plastic. I also think they were too thin to rub against each other in the box hence the plastic stayed intact. The silver dollars are fat enough to protrude past the cardboard and rub.
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Very nice.
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