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Moderator
 United States
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I apologize for going off topic here.
I'm glad you feel that way.
In the past I would stress that when a coin is posted that all the pertinent information about it show be also posted so everyone could learn and not just look at a pretty coin. Most of us still do that, but others don't and as you say are just looking for praise. I will be more aware of this in the future.
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Valued Member
United States
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If it is real I sure like the look of it!
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Moderator
 United States
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All good points @FR. However, until I see better views of the edges, I am not sure enough to render a judgement. 
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz
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Valued Member
 France
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Furius Rufus, your comments really helped me to make my mind, and thank you to all the others as well. I was convinced that there is something wrong with that coin, and as it happens often I can say in retrospect that I was feeling it from the start but did't give the deserved attention to this impression that something was wrong - probably because I was impressed by the fact that the coin comes from a respectable auction house. On the forum issues, it's difficult for me to judge since I am new, but I always found true kindness and excellent advices here
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Valued Member
 France
330 Posts |
I'll post a view of the edges as soon as I have the coin in hands
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
2100 Posts |
There is certainly something not right at all with the item. I still suspect tooling.
I know that this seller has a long history of passing through tooled coins without any note.
I am far from an expert on these issues but have looked at several hundred images of these and would make the following notes:-
The crayfish bears no resemblance to any on the several hundred examples studied. The crayfish has none of the fluidity that one would expect and I think that the tooler didn't really know what they were attempting to convey.
The crab looks clumsy with none of the grace on even worn examples.
The eagle is full of problem areas. The tooler didn't know when to stop with the wings and takes all the wing feathers to the edge of the coin. This would make the wing span too large for the bird and not a mistake that I have seen on any other examples. The crude attempt to add feather detail on the tail and where the wing meets the body is awful. I could carry on with the eagle. The hare is another problem area.
I would suggest looking at acsearch at examples, narrow the search down to ones that have a decent preservation and compare the stylistic details. This looks like monopoly money compared with real currency.
Those are just my thoughts. I have held beck from giving them earlier as I am not an expert on these having never handled any.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3443 Posts |
And I will defer to your learned observations Bottom line ........ edge or no edge It's a "stinker"
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Valued Member
 France
330 Posts |
Here are the edges, which seem to confirm that the coin is cast... if some of you are still interested! Best  
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Valued Member
Canada
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Edited by arnoldoe 08/14/2018 03:15 am
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Valued Member
 France
330 Posts |
Well it wasn't when it was put in auction. I have the bill.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Lanz accepts returns As do all major dealers of coins I tried the link earlier and saw the listing Now when I even try pasting it in I simply get "listing removed" I wouldn't make a big fuss about it Simply inform them you are not satisfied and wish to make the return A little bit older A little bit wiser That's all
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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FR Interesting points.
I found this site after getting into an argument with Joe at FAC over helping newbies (like me) detect forgeries. He has a simple maxim: Know the coin or know the seller. I found it frustrating, wanting some rules of thumb to avoid getting burned. It got pretty heated and I bailed for a couple of years.
I'm now a bit older and wiser and see Joe was right. He could have said it a bit nicer, but limitations of the medium - whatever. Over at FAC they are pretty hardcore about keeping your mouth shut when you aren't 90% sure. This place is a little more flexible, but I still tend to follow that rule.
As for this site itself, I need a break from the Culture Wars. There's too much vitriol out there and it's nice to find a place where I won't risk getting my head torn off over a trifle.
Edited by jskirwin 08/13/2018 7:29 pm
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 United States
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Quote: Here are the edges, which seem to confirm that the coin is cast... if some of you are still interested! Ok thanks. It isn't as clear to me that this coin is cast, but it sounds like the tooling and other issues are plenty enough for a return so this part of the discussion is a bit academic. Thanks by the way for this thread as I feel like this sort of thing helps me learn!
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I kept my moth shut because Greek is not my specialty. I've owned a few classical Greek bronzes; none for more than about a month, because $100 goes a lot further with Indian coins than coins of Sicily.
I didn't see too much wrong at first, but I will have to agree I don't like it. I would get a refund while the getting's good.
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