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Waiting patiently for 1586 and 1588

Now we're one day closer!

1589 Poland 3 groschen, Poznan mint
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Well, I'm not sure in which timezone the game is played, but hopefully it's a good time now. Here's my 3 groschen from 1588. The condition is very good which makes me want to professionally grade the coin and also maybe get an appraisal. However, I'm not sure if there exists a firm that also puts an estimate on the value of the coin. I see that coins from this period are usually in pretty good shape, what are your opinions on this particular coin, would the condition make it more valuable?

Eagerly waiting to see your 1588 coins.
Sincerely, Coinshouse
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A very worn 1588 French Double Tournois:
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I'll soon have a few more contributions in the form of English Elizabeth I sixpences!
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@coinshouse, that is a beautiful coin! It's also interesting to compare the skill of the Olkusz engraver with the one at Poznan (my 1589 trojak).

First, there were many varieties of the 1588 trojak from Olkusz. I believe yours is Iger.O.88.8.b which is one of the least rare subtypes from this year.

I won't guess the grade you might get, but coins from this era are often unevenly struck, and yours is not; there is pretty strong detail everywhere. So, regardless of the technical grade, it has good appeal to a collector, except for the slight irregularity in shape (you will see the two examples linked below are close to perfectly round).

The only way to estimate the value is to compare to the auction results of recent specimens of the same subtype. Here are the closest results I could find, one graded by the auction house at EF+, and the other at UNC-, but both are over 3 years old. Each sold at about $200, but the market has moved up since then.
https://onebid.pl/en/auction/249/lo...ewersie-napi
https://archiwum.niemczyk.pl/page/6...8-olkusz-st1

I hope this helps.

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I'll soon have a few ... English Elizabeth I sixpences!

Today is the end of Siggy's coins, so that will be a nice change!

My 1588 Polish coin can't compare to that of @coinshouse, so ...
1588 Duchy of Lorraine 1/2 ecu
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@tdziemia
Wow, that is great info, and an awesome coin from your side as well! I will most likely send it to be graded along with a few other coins in the near future. Also, it is nice to hear that at least the coin's value is higher than the taxes they'll charge for grading it

I greatly appreciate your time and effort. Will be joining in again in 1587.
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@tdz, that is a great Half Ecu. Along the rim at 12 o'clock on the obv and 10:30 or so on the rev, there are a couple spots without detail. Are they Cuds or remnants from an old mounting?

For today I have a Half Batzen from the German Countship of Pfalz-Veldenz dated 1588 AD:

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Very nice! (And a reminder that a batzen = 4 kreuzer)
Yes, unfortunately that 1/2 ecu has damage from previous mounting (looks like a clumsy plug maybe?).
That was the only way I could afford one of the few large silver coins minted in Lorraine in the 16th century.
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No Polish coins minted in 1587, the first of a handful of dates between now and 1507 (or 1506 depending on who's counting) when the first dated coin was issued.

1587 copper token from the Duchy of Lorraine. Obv: Shield of Lorraine surrounded (clockwise) by those of Jerusalem, Aragon, Bar, Guelders, Anjou (twice) and Hungary. Rev: Victory holding palm and laurel over a cityscape, IPSA SIBI PRETIVM VIRTVS (Virtue is its own reward).
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Nice Lorrainians

Navarre/Bearn 1587, 1/4 ecu, Henry II, Pau mint.

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The Navarrese province of Bearn minted its own coins, with the same design as the coins of Navarre (and of France), but with modified coat of arms and slightly modified inscriptions. Henry was Lord Henry II of Bearn and at the same time he was king Henry III of Navarre. In 1589, as head of the house of Bourbon when his cousin Henry III of France died without children, he stood as heir to the throne of France. Consequently, he became Henry IV of France (and Navarre) - and could boast with having three consecutive numbers to his name!

On the coins from Bearn, Henry's lordship is signified by the letters DB - Dominus Bearnie - after his regal title (REX NAVARRAE D B). The reverse shows all the important family relations: The arms of Navarre, Bearn (the two cows), Aragon, the house of Bourbon, and more. Quite a task for the poor engravers ...
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Quite a task for the poor engravers ...

From which we benefit!
I should say "Nice Bearnaise," but this sounds like something to say in a restaurant, not on a coin forum.
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1587 Austria Thaler
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Good morning!
Here's another 3 groschen, this time from Stefan Batory. Compared to the Sigismund one I previously posted, the letters are quite roughly outlined. Also, some of the letters can make you dizzy if you look at them too much, as they appear to have been struck twice, or something along those lines.
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@coinshouse, another nice one. This is Poznan mint, I think Iger P.86.2.a. Likely it would be graded VF to VF+ by Polish auction houses. Very nice portrait. Here is a recent sale of almost the same type: https://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotv...dbc9809872fc

So, in 1586 we start/end the reign of the next (earlier) monarch of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, Stephen Bathory (Stefan Batory in Polish). The good news is that we have only 9 years of coins with his portrait (1578-1586)
Here is another trojak, but from the Riga mint:
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