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 Posted 04/14/2021  08:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Here is a Groschen from the German Duchy of Brunswick-Wolfenbüttel dated 1572 AD
Neat coin!

What's that next to the denomination orb, though? A wildman? I can't quite tell. It must be pretty rare to have anything in that space, though.
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1571-elizabeth 1-she is worn off-but still a 450 year old coin-
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 Posted 04/14/2021  3:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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What's that next to the denomination orb, though? A wildman?


You have good eyes; I hadn't noticed that.

On Elizabeth (a sixpence?) ... She was the sister-in-law of Philip (my coin today) from 1554-1558, while Philip was the husband of Queen Mary Tudor of England.

Can't tell your European royals without a scorecard
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 Posted 04/14/2021  8:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree very sharp eyes @j1m. I think that you are right that there is wildman standing next to the imperial orb. I'll have to dredge up the wildman thread and add this one.

For today, I have a 1/84 Gulden from the German Free City of Nuerenberg dated 1571 AD:

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1570 English sixpence:
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 Posted 04/15/2021  08:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice to see English coins again (though I guess for just a couple more weeks?), and I love the 1/84 denomination from yesterday.
1570 Lithuanian 2 denar under Sigismund II Augustus. Sigismund ruled as sole King of Poland-Lithuania from 1548 until his death in 1572, but 1570 was the last year that circulating coins were minted. On the other hand, he co-ruled with his father before 1548, so we have an interesting situation of Polish-Lithuanian coins minted in 1545-1547 under the name of each ruler (i.e., coins minted in Krakow in the name of Sigismund I and in Vilnius in the name of Sigismund Augustus).
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 Posted 04/15/2021  8:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is a Swedish 1 Öre that is dated 1570 AD:

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1569 Lithuanian czworak (4 groschen) of Poland-Lithuania.
In his 1573 post, @erafjel explained the relationship between Sigismund II (this coin) and John III of Sweden (@spence's coin in previous post).
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It seems very long beards were the fashion for royals in this part of Europe during this era, and that John of Sweden would likely have won any contest:
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 Posted 04/17/2021  06:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sweet beard!

Here is a Groschen from the Swiss Canton of St. Gall dated 1568 AD. A small oddity with this coin is what I believe to be the minter's mark after the date on the obv. It looks a whole lot like the modern symbol for cents. The full inscription reads MO NO CI SAN GALLEN 68 ˘.

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 Posted 04/17/2021  08:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Cool! And who doesn't love a coin with a bear on it (I got a St. Gallen from 1774 after we had passed that date)

I have another Lithuanian 4 groschen for 1568, same bust of Sigismund II with his forked beard.
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This small, uniface Pfennig is from the German Archbishopric of Mainz and is dated 1567 AD. It was issued by Daniel Brendel von Hamburg and is attributed as Saurma 2526.

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Random factoid of the day (thanks to google-info and wikipedia):
Daniel Brendel's chef, Marx Rumpolt, published the famous cookbook "Ein new Kochbuch" in 1581. This was the first cookbook for professional chefs. Here is an image of the title page:


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I have another small Lithuanian 2 denar coin for 1567 (photo taken for the "Post Your Tiny Coins" thread)
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tdziemia - that 1567 Lithuanian 2 denars looks very modern, reminiscent of quite a few 20th-century Scandinavian coins and the Belgian 25 centimes of the 1960s and 1970s!

Back to 1566 with a well-worn English sixpence:
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Here is a Groschen from the German Electorate of Saxony-Albertine dated 1566 AD:

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Lithuanian 2 denars ..., reminiscent of quite a few 20th-century Scandinavian coins and the Belgian 25 centimes of the 1960s and 1970s!

Wow! Absolutely, though I never made that connection (crowned monogram)
Love that ornate Saxony groschen, which I think we will see intermittently for the next 100 years.

This 1566 Lithuanian groschen is the last portrait coin of SIgismund II I have for the next 20 years, though I am sure we will see just a few of his rider/eagle half groats in the meantime,
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