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Australian And New Zealand Coins, How Far Back Can We Go - First Edition

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 Posted 02/09/2021  10:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Princetane to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, sorry J Buck - and I am only 93k behind you now!

Bidding on a BIGGIE - If I win you are guys are going to flip. One of the absolute Keys of Australian Predecimal Florinage. Complete with a baggie. We are now 17 years away from it - I think you all know what it may be - 11 people bidding though and 5 hours to go!

The Florin was AU with a Foy and Gibson bag and sold for NZ $1025.00, my bid was $880.00. It was the 1934/35 Melbourne Florin.
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1950 New Zealand florin. Brought back from one of my holidays there - found in change!
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 Posted 02/10/2021  04:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Princetane to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Missed out on the Florin

NR- Yes you could get Florins back to 1947 in your change up to 2006 and they were like your coin, high VG basically - the absolute basal condition for Cupronickel (To be honest my 1950 Florin is barely much better).

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My 1950 set has some better and worse coins. The 3d is the only less common one, with a low mintage. Others are very common. The Shilling is a nice EF/AU coin - but others are VF.

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Two types of Halfcrown, barely perceptible differences, Narrow date is the more scarce and later looking type with a thinner rim and KG nearer the edge and from central lozenge. The Wide date has the thicker rim and lozenge closer to edge with KG.
Wide date coin is VF+ and Narrow date is EF to AU.

An easy way to grade halfcrowns is, Both sets of carving lips worn = VG or lower, Right lips clear, but left worn = Fine, Left lips clear = VF, Both sets of lips very sharp = EF or better. The wide coin has wear on the left lips, but they are distinct.

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Reverses - 1950 was a big year for coins after 3 denominations not being minted in 1949 and no bronze in 1948.
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Australia in 1950 had all the coins but the Florin. No Florins were issued in 1948, 49 or 50 at all.

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Both of my Bronze coins are Perth Mint and all of these are pretty average (Fine to VF) condition, still its a complete set of 1950 coins. As you can see, apart from Florins my Kiwi coins are definitely outshining my Aussie ones!
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1950

Some NZ coins..
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And from Aus...
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Steve :)
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Very tired tonight, so will post my goodies tomorrow.
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1949 New Zealand crown - struck to commemorate a Royal Visit that never took place!
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Also here's my 1949 NZ halfcrown:
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Oh well here is mine.


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1949 had no shillings, 6d and 3d issued. It did have the other coins and a crown.

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The crown was half silver and as NumisRob said the visit never took place due to ill health. These were popular and all sold out on the day at Facevalue, no cases that cost 6d more like 1953 and no 2/6 mark up like in 1935.

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Reverses and yes I poured serious buckage into that Halfcrown. Average cost of a Fine 1949 Halfcrown = 30cents, cost of that AU one - $48.

Aussie coins tomorrow our time.
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PT - I like that 1949 crown, hadn't seen it before. Thanks for posting.
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PT - I like that 1949 crown, hadn't seen it before. Thanks for posting.


Ditto :)
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1949

From NZ
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And from Aus, I don't have much for this year.
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Steve you actually have everything for 1949.

I was going to mention, the year 1949 saw some of the bitsiest issuing by Australia, with many denominations not being issued. Also the period 1946 - 1950 saw limited issuing too.

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1949 was like 1964, only the bottom 3 denominations were issued, mainly as demand for these coins was highest.

This was strange given NZ issued heavy numbers of coins between 1940 and 1948 in comparison.

Also this followed plentiful WW2 issuing numbers (With America helping out!) and the change from sterling to Half silver currency in 1946, it was thought maybe they would issue jumbo numbers of half silver coins to help fade out the sterling coins faster.

In NZ we stopped silver in 1947, so we could help the British pay their silver loan from WW2 back to the USA, but I am not sure why Australia dropped the silver purity in 1946 - maybe as the price rose perhaps, as Australia mined most of its own silver and did not go through The Royal Mint for raw materials and coinage (After 1915 and only occasional help outs like in 1951 and 1964/65 with decimal coins).
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Steve you actually have everything for 1949.


Thanks PrinceTane, I never checked to see if anything else was made that year.

Steve :)
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Before I do my daily posts, I always check two small catalogues above my computer. Both are old, but now we are in the 1940s they do the job.

For NZ I use a John Bertrand catalogue 2018 version and Australia my McDonald 2009 catalogue.

Both give me the info at my fingertips, whether the coin was minted a certain year, size of mintage and varieties. Hence why I usually add info, so people in the future can see the thread as a resource as well as a show of beautiful pieces of coined history.

Just 2 more plain jane years and we hit the joy of classic NZ silver coins!

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1948, the first of the two plain Jane years. 1948 was the year in New Zealand the Emperor was dropped from the reverse, so coins now said "King George the Sixth", it lingered on Australian and British coins though!

No Bronze was issued dated 1948, so we have the 3d to 2/6 only.

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This is another "Mixed year" for me. The Florin is in Average Fine condition and is typical of 99% of 1948 Florins, the shilling is VF, 3d and 6d are clearly EF and a bit better.

The Halfcrown is a low/bare EF example which cost me a bomb ($50 or so) and I am a bit annoyed with it as it drops from $90 to $10 in EF to VF condition and to me this coin could even be slightly under EF making the $50 I paid seem a bit of a rip off.

None of these coins are scarce and all were minted in plentiful numbers, if somewhat lower than the jumbo 1947 and 1950 mintages.


Of course I could have been happy with a fine one for 30 cents!
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