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I'd only buy it if I could get a roll of those.  |
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While the reverse is interesting, the obverse does appear to have reached a terminal stage (if there is no luster present under the black toning).
Not enough pictures to make a real judgment call.
It does bother me that the toning is so uniform, I would expect to see a more crackled appearance.
I would pass on this piece.
As far as NGC vs PCGS, you don't see many coins crossing from NGC to PCGS at the same grade, they often drop at least a point. I think that says a lot.
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Meanwhile, the seller is getting excited seeing they have received so many views on this coin Going viral for all the wrong reasons.  |
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While this coin is probably genuine toning, y'all do know it's not hard to force a slabbed coin to take on certain colors of toning by enclosing the slab to a sealed bag full of certain chemical gasses? I remember Coin World doing a big expose story on this in the 1990's. It's not hard. I would never pay more than a small premium for a toned coin, and only if it was a monster tone that improved the eye appeal. My Two Cents anyways for what it's worth. "Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 |
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This looks like it was artificially toned to me
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The color banding is in the correct order, like a natural rainbow, and the reverse while strange looking is seen often enough on Morgan dollars, (anyone remember the 1888 Scarface here last year, went to Pawn Stars) also another Scarface Morgan sold at Heritage with very similar toning look. Robert Campbell has done some amazing talks at various conventions over the years on how to tell real vs. artificial toning on coins. Part One: https://nnp.wustl.edu/library/book/578921Part Two: https://nnp.wustl.edu/library/book/578922My first time hearing this talk was even before this video was made, at an impromptu meet-up during an ANA Bull Session. Eventually he turned it into the talk he now gives at the coin shows and conventions. Bob really explains this subject better than almost anyone IMO. Hope you all might find the videos informative. I do wish there were some newer higher quality video clips, but still the information is good. "Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 |
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kanga: Quote:If I recall correctly, way back ebay used to charge a listing fee based on the opening price. Items like this make me wish they still did it, and maybe even raise the listing fee. I think this is the type of Buy It Now auction where the seller lists a high asking price, and then waits for people to put it on their Watch lists so he can send out 50% off messages.  |
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I consider the idea that natural and artificial toning to be fully distinguishable by color sequence to be pseudoscience. There are more aspects to a coin's appearance we pick up on when deciding from our own learned opinion whether a coin is intentionally/quickly or unintentionally/slowly toned
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I consider the idea that natural and artificial toning to be fully distinguishable by color sequence to be pseudoscience. There are more aspects to a coin's appearance we pick up on when deciding from our own learned opinion whether a coin is intentionally/quickly or unintentionally/slowly toned Color sequence is critical, but has to be coupled with elevation chromatics and transition. The videos provided by westcoin with Bob Campbell are excellent at explaining what to look for. |
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I'm surprised NGC gave this one a straight grade. That obverse toning is terminal state and what I consider environmental damage. Also, it is an AU58 coin at best.  @dave700x, This. I would be a hard no at any price. |
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I've never understood the appeal of coin toning. What is ugly on the table is supposed to be beautiful on a coin. Hey, THQ, if you want to get rid of any bright rainbow toners, II might take then off your hands. Wouldn't want you to hold onto anything so ugly. |
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I was talking about spoons twslisa. The last one I polished was a colonial coin-silver coffee spoon ca 1770, which was taking on the rainbow look. Nice and shiny now. The older the silver, the faster it seems to retone after a polish. The oldest spoon I have is a 1702 English dognose, which was darkening into a gold/bronze color. From the wear on the hallmarks these spoons have been polished hundreds of times. This is the kind of natural toning I like on a coin. A light peachy gold color.  "Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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01/19/2021 2:09 pm
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This is the kind of natural toning I like on a coin. A light peachy gold color. Looks nice!  |
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This is the kind of natural toning I like on a coin. A light peachy gold color. To each his own. Edited by twslisa
01/19/2021 6:32 pm
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