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ICCS looks at obverse fields rather than high points and US grading companies look at high points (Reverse and obverse) rather than fields......This can result in substantial grading swings when cross grading in either direction. Interesting!  |
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Kinda looks like it has PVC damage  |
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New Member
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Really - how did you arrive at that conclusion ?
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From everything that I know, ICCS almost couldn't care less about dipping, cleaning or minor verdigris, so I disagree with the comment that they (ICCS) care most about the fields. For dings and scratches on the Obverse, yes, but not the overall appearance. The OP coin doesn't stand a chance at ICCS or PCGS 65 or 66.
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ICCS is inconsistent on cleaning. Very minor cleaning they tend to ignore completely. Noticeable but not heavy cleaning they will sometimes remark on but sometimes ignore and sometimes they will net grade a cleaned coin, which is often very confusing. (Looks MS or high AU but graded EF-40 or 45 with no remarks) Heavy cleaning they tend to usually put a remark on the holder at least, although not always.
I haven't seen a grading company yet that has any issues with dipping, unless it's obviously overdipped and dull. PCGS seems to be quite okay with dipping.
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You cannot compare a 1936 to a 1927
Five cent without a thorough knowledge of the series .
1927 tends to be quite bright and lustrous when encountered
in mint state grades and is flat rather than concave in
strike . Examples that are reasonably struck and with booming
lustre are not uncommon .
The 1936 issue usually has a washed out satiny lustrous
appearance and is encountered with both flat and concave
fields . Seldom encountered fully struck and flashy .
The entire series from 1922 to 1936 is difficult to acquire
in real true GEM CANADIAN GRADED 65 or better with
a strong strike , minimal marks and booming lustre , The coins were
struck for commerce with little attention to quality or appearance .
Issues from 1925 , 1931, 1932 , 1933 , 1934 & 1935
are difficult to acquire even in MS63 .
The six easiest dates to acquire at MS63 level or higher are
In order 1928, 1922 , 1927, 1936 , 1924 , 1929 .
Flat and concave striking variants are known for the
following dates , 1922, 1929, 1932 , 1934 , 1936 .
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That may be true, but this ICCS MS66 coin probably has damaged obverse fields (the streaking is evident, and you can't blame it on a copper alloy). Without actually seeing in hand a coin, I'd find it difficult to pronounce with abject certainty, anything about it's grade-regardless of company, nevermind its "chances" with other services.
Edited by Oldgrouchyguy
07/28/2022 8:01 pm
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The price you paid should tell you all you need to know about the coin and how much people care for the holder it's in... ICCS at least has a reputation for Canadian coins..NGC on the other hand, I wouldn't trust with anything remotely high-end.
Feel free to call me Will.
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Here's the bottom line: trusting a grade in any holder without a proper evaluation makes no sense. They all make mistakes, and opinions vary.
ICCS is wildly inconsistent. More could be said, but I'll hold back. To claim a coin in an ICCS holder has a better chance of being accurately graded when it comes to Mint State coins is flat out wrong in my opinion. All of these companies can get it wrong, but the American ones tend to be much more consistent in their grading.
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"The price you paid should tell you all you need to know about the coin and how much people care for the holder it's in.."
Ahhh, there's a lot to play with in that sentence! Maybe some people should get out more...
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Guys, it's a Numbers Game. I don't know how it works North of Encapsulated Grading territory, but NGC graded this the only MS66 GeoV nickel among all they have received. You have to give them sooooome credit (PCGS has 66ed 32+ nickels submitted). Buyers pay what a coin is worth to them (check out what a graded 2011 US Lincoln Cent brought...). And, there are clubs, consortiums, call them what you want, which buy only the Top of the Pop US, and to some extent Canadian and Foreign (China, etc.), coins. Some collect coins, some collect numbers. Know what your customers want and it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks. Edited by Oldgrouchyguy
07/28/2022 9:42 pm
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To the ones who collect only by numbers you have a very VALID point .
I am a dealer as well who has customers that just care about the number.
To a serious student of the series not so much as. they desire an ICCS 66 or
the coin to be cross graded. In the past we have sold NGC/ ICCS coins
that indeed did X grade but not many.
There is a reason the coin brought so little at auction .
That reason is the market is just not there for that coin in an NGC holder .
Does not matter an iota if it is one of one . Truth is they (NGC) have probably
seen fewer mint state GV nickels than most Canadian coin dealers .
In our market NGC and to a lesser degree PCGS are notorious for
poorly graded Canadian coins . The situation has improved somewhat
over the last few years .
As stated earlier the coin in an ICCS or PCGS holder graded as 66
an easy 4K coin to the right collector .
That said your coin and you certainly
have the right to market it any way you desire .
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Pillar of the Community
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"There is a reason the coin brought so little at auction .
That reason is the market is just not there for that coin in an NGC holder ."
Maaaaaybe it was the wrong auction for the coin...
Just to add: bought a 1638-dated Deed from Dedham MA for 110.00 on an auction site. Sold it for 4400. same site a year later. (oh, and a Professional at a major auction house thought it was worth 3-500 in their sale). I just described it better than did the original seller. Sometimes, it's not what you have, but how you tell people what you have that makes all the difference.
Edited by Oldgrouchyguy
07/28/2022 10:33 pm
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Nope , me thinks you have the coin in the wrong holder !
Anyways good luck and hope you cash big time !
Cheers and all the best , J
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For someone who keeps claiming it's an easy sell, you sure are trying very hard to sell us on it..you take a lot of offense to what is being said and have even attacked an unrelated ICCS coin while claiming all that matters is the label... perhaps all this effort is better put into selling this investment quality grade rarity.
Feel free to call me Will.
Edited by thedollarman
07/28/2022 11:05 pm
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