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Is It Worthwhile To Hoard Copper Pennies?

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 Posted 01/16/2023  9:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AllSeasons to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just to clarify, at today's copper spot price of $9,145.25 per ton, $5.00 of copper cents would translate to roughly $13.46 in melt value, after taking into account 95% copper content and wear over the years. That's a 169% profit, if you can get spot.

ebay is notorious for fees and other considerations. From a buyer's point of view, they also have to pay for shipping and tax. From a seller's point of view, they have to pay a hefty ebay fee. So it's very hard to get full melt value on ebay after all those deductions. Then again, there are people on ebay who will pay more than melt value, as in the case of copper bullion, which in my opinion is a lot less cost effective.

In terms of melting it down, personally, I'm not planning to do that. However, for those enterprising enough to try, economics aside, refined copper is very fungible, meaning that it's near impossible to tell one bar from the next, just like silver and gold. I'm definitely not advocating for it, but the law in its current form seems difficult to enforce in real life, due to the fungibility of pure copper (and other commodity metals). This is also the reason why Swiss banks are able to get away with buying conflict gold and "laundering" them clean in their vaults.

I agree more with CarrsCoins that maybe the coins themselves will be worth more in the future, which is also what I'm hoping for. The only uncertain element is the time horizon, i.e. will I live long enough to see it.

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 Posted 01/16/2023  10:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Imagine the time and effort to save and bag, say, 10,000 copper cents. Months, years? You find a dealer willing to pay twice face, load your car and drive to wherever and back (factor your gas costs). What do you have ? A hundred bucks gain.

Thanks, I'll pass.
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That's a 169% profit, if you can get spot.

"Getting spot" is always tricky for alloyed base metals, because a large proportion of your "profits" is eaten up in refining costs. Nobody will pay you $9145/ton for contaminated copper.

Check out this scrap metal merchant's website I found earlier today, as an example. Their offer price for pure copper wire is US$3.45/lb. But their price for "bronze" is $2.40/lb, while "brass" is $2.00/lb. And I think US "coinage bronze" is technically a brass, since it's diluted with zinc instead of the traditional tin.
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 Posted 01/16/2023  10:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AllSeasons to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, Sap. Hmm, this is very interesting and different than I expected, because it was very different for silver, which is what I used to watch. For some refiners, they would buy silver at less than a dollar under spot and also pay for shipping. Now, I don't know how accurate their scales are, if you get my drift, but it at least sounded pretty good on paper. I guess copper/bronze/brass is significantly different. I wonder why.
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I have a small glass jar of coppers on one of my bookcases, into which go the very few copper cents I receive from the very few cash transactions I do these days. I used to pull the copper cents out of boxes I searched and toss them in there, but I haven't searched a box in over 5 years. I'm sure they'll end up in a Coinstar machine some day.

As has been argued many times here, it's simply not worth the time or effort. In my book if you're going to speculate on metals, "color up" and do PMs.

I've looked for this thread before but can never find it. Some guy about 10 years ago was selling something like 10 55-gallon Brute garbage cans full of cents. Perhaps it might make financial sense on that scale if you could transport them to the scrap yard cheaply... but man, what a lot of effort and logistics.
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 Posted 01/17/2023  6:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nick10 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
even with a Ryedale sorter to automate the separation, you still end up with a heavy pile of low-value cents, how much is your time and storage space worth to you?
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 Posted 01/18/2023  10:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JJ44 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
sell 100% copper rolls on ebay double your money. not fast but still good.
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i mentioned that I think its worth while. I didnt talk about the scale. I think that matters.

i pick them out of pocket change. I dont coin roll hunt. I'm not a cashier. I dont run coin sorting machines. I'm small scale.

because I'm already looking at my pocket change for fun the time to find them is functionally zero. it would be hard to make it financially viable to me to search for them intentionally.

in 30 years of pulling them out of change I have amassed a pile about the size of a basketball. I have enough extra storage space that my cent pile is an irrelevant. I wouldnt spend money to store them.

so for me its free in terms of time and space, has no financial downside (outside opportunity cost) because I can always spend them and has potential upside of a free dinner or something. thats just good fun to me.

i spend the wheat cents I find. it is worth more to me to potentially start a new collector than they are to save.
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To add, I don't save them for financial reasons for the most part. I enjoy hunting for them in change. Even my wife can pick a lot of them out just by look without even checking the date. So it adds a little excitement to the day lol. Find the coppers in a few brown cents you get back in change. Or find a full red from 1977 or a brick red cent from 1962. Or an S. It fuels the coin collecting hobby at no cost. It's fun. Maybe some day 50 years from now, someone opens a roll and finds some mint red ones or fills an album with them.
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2,000 pounds of copper cents, each box weighs about 22 pounds. A total of close to 300,000 coins.
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 Posted 01/18/2023  12:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CelticKnot to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Holy moly, that's a lot, @nss-52! What is your plan for them?
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 Posted 01/18/2023  12:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AllSeasons to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@nss-52 Nice! Finally a fellow copper penny hoarder! I'm nowhere near where you are yet, having accumulated about 24 kilos of this stuff so far. But I will keep on adding to it!

Also to reply to a few previous posters, I'm not really doing this mainly for financial reasons, since what I've accumulated doesn't really amount to much. But plucking these copper pennies out of rolls is fun for me. They also help coin roll hunting make a little more economical sense. If I don't find any old Wheat cents or IHCs, I can at least say, hey, I found a lot of copper pennies and made a few bucks for my time, so it's not a total loss. Anyways, it may just be psychological, but I enjoy it.

Cheers!
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Working on filling up my second jumbo popcorn piggy bank of there guys
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