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This one is from the same collection that the 1820 came from. Interesting neckline. Thoughts?   |
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Bedrock of the Community
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I'll say EF-45, perhaps AU-50.
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That is an usually high-quality circulated specimen. Great strike. If there's a just a little luster that doesn't appear in the pic, AU-53.
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08/22/2023 10:12 am
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i have it as higher AU50 coin
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AU-50 is reasonable. That is the largest double profile I think I have seen on an 1825.
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Looking at the affected area, I think that this is PMD rather than a planchet flaw. In a planchet flaw I would expect the edges of the affected area to be sharp and flat, but in this case they are rounded and raised which seems to me consistent with pitting. Outside of this area in the bust/neckline of liberty it is a very attractive piece in the low AU range.  IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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Quote:Looking at the affected area, I think that this is PMD rather than a planchet flaw. I came to a much different conclusion — looks like the tarnish spots I've often seen on early halves, which used notoriously inconsistent silver alloys. But the matter can only be resolved with a high-res zoom-in of the affected area. |
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That's a pretty huge double profile. I'd say AU-50.
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Quote:Looking at the affected area, I think that this is PMD rather than a planchet flaw. Look again, those are the natural folds of drapery with natural toning and grime on the high points. No pitting whatsoever on this example. Suffering from bust half fever. Want to learn how to attribute early half dollars by die variety? Click Here: http://goccf.com/t/434955Shoot me a PM if you are looking to sell bust halves. |
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Because OP had a really sharp image I was able to enlarge the image more and it remained pretty sharp. I think I can rule this out as a dark spot of tarnish or the natural folds of the drapery.   IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.comEdited by numismatic student
08/22/2023 10:21 pm
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I think I can rule this out as a dark spot of tarnish or the natural folds of the drapery What's with you and thinking simple dark spots are horrible problems? Examine and compare again until you stop "thinking" and start "knowing." Study coins until you can make bold statements without embarrassing yourself to the rest of the experienced and professional community. This is humorous everytime you do this. Suffering from bust half fever. Want to learn how to attribute early half dollars by die variety? Click Here: http://goccf.com/t/434955Shoot me a PM if you are looking to sell bust halves. |
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Nice one! I'm at AU50, and in the group of a darkly toned spot on the bust.
Depending on how that spot looks in hand, I may be tempted to lightly roll a xylene dipped qtip over just that spot, in attempts to lighten that spot. I've done it many time without adverse reactions, with good results. That said; I do not have the coin in hand, cannot guarantee any results, and I'm sure others would say leave it alone, myself included depending on how it looks in hand.
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Thanks for all the feedback. I bought this and the 1820 from a "local dealer" that is on the other side of PA from me. I have a close relationship with him and when I inquired about the coins, he felt extremely confident that both would straight grade and are original. I should have them in hand this weekend.
I expect both will get an acetone bath. Ty, I have never used xylene - I'll have to think about that after examining it closely.
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08/23/2023 10:14 am
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What's with you and thinking simple dark spots are horrible problems? Examine and compare again until you stop "thinking" and start "knowing." Study coins until you can make bold statements without embarrassing yourself to the rest of the experienced and professional community. This is humorous everytime you do this. I was once young and thought I "knew" everything too. Hopefully you are able to grow out of it.  OP, let us know how the coin looks when it comes in. Maybe it's just a stain or toning. Thanks for sharing the coins with us. IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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I would not recommend acetone dipping these. They have a crust that has been developing their entire life, and to remove that could make the coin a little funky. Might as well keep them original. I have messed with a fair few bust halves with acetone and wish I didn't.
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 unless there's obvious pvc, I would avoid an acetone bath. If anything, a small spot treatment as I mentioned but I too would avoid a full coin soak |
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