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2x2 Cardboard Flips & Boxes - Which Are The Best Brands?

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As per the title, which brands do you consider the best?
Looking for archival safe in both the paper and the film.
Also, the same question for 2x2 boxes.

I found the below pic of a collection using the method and it looks pretty sassy to me so I am thinking of replicating this for the several thousands of coins I'm currently organizing. Would you consider this safe? Care obviously must be given to avoid coins scratching staples.

2x2-Cardboard-Flips-&-Boxes---Which-Are-The-Best-Brands?

PS: obviously asking for US market but if someone from the old continent wants to jump in it'd be awesome!

Thanks a lot!
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Hi Joe,
I like Cowen's 2X2s - they are thicker and sturdier than other brands. The plastic inside is Mylar, so they should be archival quality.
Wizard Coin Supply has a good selection of storage boxes (and flips too). I have a few of the double-wide heavy duty cardboard ones, and they work fine. They also stock BCW acrylic boxes.
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Cowens 2x2s are usually decent. I had one large batch from a few years ago that--when folded into the closed position--had about 1/16 inch of an overhang. A bit annoying.
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 Posted 01/14/2024  07:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add joe_77 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks! Can anyone comment on the materials used for Cowens 2x2 cardboard? Is it Acid free? I understand Cowens mylar is the only thing touching the coin, but still, thats a lot of cardboard so one hopes it doesn't releases harmful gases?

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In the past, I have used old color slide boxes.
Storing coins face to face close together is space efficient, but less convenient in terms of display than 2x2's in 20 pocket album pages.

Depends what your main priority is
1. storage space efficiency
2. display.
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Thanks for the pointers!
For me its definitely storage (and archival safe for that matter) the key element.

Still investigating the deal with the cardboard.. whether it's archival or not..
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The ones I bought most recently from wizardcoinsupply were good, those turned out to be cowen's mylar cardboard flips when I just checked. Came in Cent, Nickel, Dime, Quarter, Half Dollar, Large Dollar, and Small Dollar in bundles of 100. I always prefer Cowens, because the cardboard is a bit thicker. It provides more protection for the coin. HECO are thinner, which is good more if you are trying to fit more in a box but less protection possibly by being thinner.

Cowens cardboard 2x2 coin flips are manufactured so that the mylar is the only material that comes in contact with your coin. This means that the mylar polyester film is actually on the inside of the coin flip and that the cutout circle in the cardboard is on the outside. This seems backwards since the coin won't fit neatly in the hole but this method ensures that your coin only comes into contact with the DuPont Mylar polyester film window - the chemically least reactive material available for coins that does not tear or scratch and is moisture resistant. They are archival safe.
Heres a link to the cent 2x2 for example.
https://www.wizardcoinsupply.com/pr...nt-size.html


Intercept Shield Boxes are good for storing the 2x2 flips longer term if the coins are of higher value/quality or copper. A highly customized box for safe coin storage using only acid-free and sulfur-free materials. The Intercept Shield liner is what sets these apart, utilizing a neutralizing agent cleansing the air within the box, protecting your coins from corrosion. In other words they can protect some not just store like standard boxes if that matters to someone.
https://www.wizardcoinsupply.com/pr...age-box.html

On the other hand as a kid I just used a 3 ring binder and pocket pages kind of like this as I didnt want albums with holes that would remain at the time, and could put different denominations all together also eliminating the need initially for buying multiple albums. Others like that idea who arent heavy collectors buying up the entire series and would have anxiety about holes in their albums also. That works for me also now here and there until you commit to collecting all of a particular denomination. https://www.wizardcoinsupply.com/co...ck-of-8.html
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Thank you datadragon!

I wonder, for all the people using Cowens 2x2, do you find the quality lately to be just the same as always or did you see issues which weren't there before?

Does anyone have Cowens 2x2 from like 20-30 years ago and can comment on how they are holding up?

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Joe, I only began using Cowen's a few years ago. In the past, Whitman's were the only ones available to me. Recently I began removing some coins I had put in their 2X2s about 20 years ago to photograph them, and the Mylar has detached from the cardboard on most of them (poor adhesive?).
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Recently I began removing some coins I had put in their 2X2s about 20 years ago to photograph them, and the Mylar has detached from the cardboard on most of them


Hello Hondo, thank you.

I suppose that the adhesive failing is not as bad as it sounds as long as the coin is still protected? Or was the detachment causing issues?

Have you noticed any issue with the patina after removing the mylar? Or are the coins just as you put them in 20 years ago?

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Or was the detachment causing issues?

Not really, as they were in binders. But it's bothersome that they're a bit slip-shod.

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Have you noticed any issue with the patina after removing the mylar?

They were all Spanish colonial reales from the 18th and 19th centuries. As they were all toned to some degree already, I can't say if there was any change in the last 20 years.
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Thank you Hondo!
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Hello all!

Fast forward today, I got my hands on some Cowens 2x2 bought from Wizard supplies.
Cardboard is definitely thick and sturdy also they were pretty cheap (less than $4 for 100) so that's definitely good!

Two things I noticed are that:
the glare of the mylar is pretty strong (side by side with another brand -- no clue which one -- is night and day. total reflection vs I can still see through)
the cardboard is kinda "hairy" and creates lots of flakes near the opening

Are the two observation in line with your own experience with Cowens?

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Not at all. That seems more like the ones I bought at a coin show really, really cheap.
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Thanks for the reply! Do they look legit?

2x2-Cardboard-Flips-&-Boxes---Which-Are-The-Best-Brands?

This is the product I bought: https://www.wizardcoinsupply.com/pr...el-size.html

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They look fine from the photo. I wonder if they changed source materials or any parts of the manufacturing process.

Do they line up well when you fold them? The previously mentioned cheapies did not fold square.
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