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How Far Back Can We Go? Eighth Edition! We Need - 1366 C. E. (A. H. 767) Help US John Conduit!

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Ah yes, the year 1491. I remember it well as it was a stopper in my OFEY collection for a decade or more. Here is a Mariengroschen from Aachen (Levinson I-258):

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Great coin, and still a stopper for me (I think my only one until sometime in the 1460s).
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Yeah they def don't come up for auction very often. I got mine from a seller before he listed it.

@tdz, what are your thoughts about submitting pix of this coin to numista? The one currently pictured has a bit more wear (but has been slabbed):

https://en.numista.com/119034

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I think yours are better for both reasons. I'll send you a pm.
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Here is a Goettingen Koertling dated 1490 (Levinson I-250a):

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Looks like I can still post my 1490 gros from Brabant:
How-Far-Back-Can-We-Go?-Eighth-Edition!-We-Need---1366-C.-E.-A.-H.-767-Help-US-John-Conduit!
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And, since today is 1489 here is the same type in only marginally better condition, for 1489:
How-Far-Back-Can-We-Go?-Eighth-Edition!-We-Need---1366-C.-E.-A.-H.-767-Help-US-John-Conduit!
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Pomerania Schilling 1489 (Levinson I-243):

How-Far-Back-Can-We-Go?-Eighth-Edition!-We-Need---1366-C.-E.-A.-H.-767-Help-US-John-Conduit!
How-Far-Back-Can-We-Go?-Eighth-Edition!-We-Need---1366-C.-E.-A.-H.-767-Help-US-John-Conduit!
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Nijmegen Half Stuiver 1488 (Levinson III-199):

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1488 is one of the dates in the 1480s I filled since the last pass, with this stuiver from the Ghent uprising (Levinson II-104):
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How-Far-Back-Can-We-Go?-Eighth-Edition!-We-Need---1366-C.-E.-A.-H.-767-Help-US-John-Conduit!
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That is a super pick-up @tdz!

By the way, here is a link to the updated numista page for 1491:

https://en.numista.com/119034

Thx for your help!
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For 1487 I will go with my first "undated but attributable" coin, this Florence grosso, MIR 64/9, dateable by the mark of Ludovico di Antonio di Tommaso Masi, 2d semester 1487. Another pickup to fill in my 1486-1488 gap:
How-Far-Back-Can-We-Go?-Eighth-Edition!-We-Need---1366-C.-E.-A.-H.-767-Help-US-John-Conduit!
How-Far-Back-Can-We-Go?-Eighth-Edition!-We-Need---1366-C.-E.-A.-H.-767-Help-US-John-Conduit!
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Looks somewhat similar to mine but for today (Florence Grosso Guelfo datable to first half of 1487):

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Quote:
Looks somewhat similar to mine but for today (Florence Grosso Guelfo datable to first half of 1487):
Very nice!
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