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The whole thing is a tempest in a stupid teapot. The "$175m savings" is illusionary and only a tiny raindrop in the whole cloud of spending.

The mint makes coins in quantities determined by the Secretary of the Treasury in accordance with the law. ("The Secretary shall mint").

They make enough to fulfill orders from their customer (the Federal Reserve Bank) and for numismatic customers.

If the Fed stopped ordering 1c coins, the mint would make only the smaller # required for numismatic customers.

If the mint did this, the portion of the fixed costs included in the 3c "cost to manufacture" would simply be apportioned over the other billion coins minted. There goes a big portion of the "savings".
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Just an idea - make them copper again and only make 1 million for 2025.That will save them money, and make them much more valuable.
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Yup, and they sell for Two Cents each. How does that help?


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I didn't see any penny defenders think about this....

What could the world do with all the copper and zinc available for commerce once production ended?

Millions of pounds of valuable resources changed over to produce things that are actually useful to mankind. The energy consumed in production moved to powering things that are much more useful to us all.
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What could the world do with all the copper and zinc available for commerce once production ended?


The way things are now days government or industry will just waste it on something else and rich people will get richer thereby.
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Millions of pounds of valuable resources changed over to produce things that are actually useful to mankind. The energy consumed in production moved to powering things that are much more useful to us all.


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The way things are now days government or industry will just waste it on something else and rich people will get richer thereby.


We need Artazn to shift their lobbying towards other zinc-heavy industries. Maybe if we tried to make zinc-air batteries more popular?
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We need Artazn to shift their lobbying towards other zinc-heavy industries. Maybe if we tried to make zinc-air batteries more popular?


ROFL.

We might as well get more research into zinc substrates for room temperature superconductivity as well. I'm sure if we think about it we can put zinc in everything.

This could all be a blessing in disguise for the zinc industry.
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Zinc would see a fantastic bump if renewable energy became more popular. But there is a whole other much larger lobby in the way. I guess Artazn is just staying in its lane for now.
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Make the pennies smaller and make them Three Cents.
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Make the pennies smaller and make them Three Cents.


Back in 1974 I lobbied to get them to stamp a hole in existing pennies large enough to recover some of their metal and imprint '2 1/2 cents" around the hole on both sides. Future half nickels could just be made with the hole.

This would have worked fine until about 2005 when the composition would have had to be switched to aluminum.

Today it would be necessary to just drop the half nickels and the government wouldn't have wasted hundreds of millions fewer dollars.
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With all the excess Zinc they could add more Zinc citrate to vitamin supplements.
..off course too much zinc would be lethal/poisonous.
..and/or what about a plastic core Copper plated cent that might be more cost effective,
and it would float!
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..and/or what about a plastic core Copper plated cent that might be more cost effective,and it would float!
Again, no, cost is well over one cent before they even get the material.
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Back in 1974 I lobbied to get them to stamp a hole in existing pennies...
An interesting idea. Oh, what could have been.
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I wonder what needs--goods/products--are not being met nationally because cent production taps into the supply of zinc and copper....?
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Zinc-air batteries, solar panels, wind turbines... We need more, more, more!
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