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1876 H Newf Cent. Dbling/Die Breaks New Pics!

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 Posted 08/09/2009  11:18 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add malissadawn to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I was sorting some coins and for some reason decided to go at this one with a magnifier. I noticed some interesting die breaks and doubling on some letters. The doubling was probably very pronounced at the start of this coins life and now has worn down but still very noticable.

Any opinions? I do not have a good site for looking up Newfoundland varieties and there are not many in my books.

Also, any ideas on how to clean her up a little. I didnt notice til I got really close up that there is some dirt issues with this one. Is there something I can do that does NOT involve chemicals or scratching?

thanks for looking

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 Posted 08/09/2009  11:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add papeldog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I use WD-40 let it soak for an hour or so dab lightly with a Q-tip then rinse with cold water, when you think it is looking pretty good under 10 power loupe dab on some Blue Ribbon coin conditioner and pat off with soft cloth. I have done this for some time now and also sent in for grading they don't seem to mind at the grading company or they don't see it. It doesn't hurt the coin any.
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 Posted 09/15/2009  8:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The 7 on the date is very interesting! It doesn't look like a die chip, but more like a remnant of an underlying 7.
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I agree that there is something about the 7. I think there would be even more to see under the bits of gunk but not sure what to do to clear it up without using harsh chemicals. While WD40 sounds interesting, I would be too afraid to try that.
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 Posted 09/16/2009  05:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bill in Burl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
WD-40 or Releasall soaks do no damage to bronze/copper coins. Let it sit for a day and then use Q-tips gently to remove the loose impediments. Sometimes, if it is dirt trapped by an oil film, I use acetone in the same way, but you have to be very careful about using it indoors. It evaporates very rapidly, so it's not really a soak, but a cleaning. Again, be gently with the coin, since the dirt/grime in the coin crud can be quite gritty and the grit, not the Q-tip will scratch the coin. Acetone will also remove the oil film left from the WD-40 or Relasall. Once done, rinse well with distilled water. Sometimes even a little mild dishwash soap like Ivory is needed to remove oily residue. On the coin itself, I didn't see any real die cracks, but lots of filled die or broken punch/hub (I'd have to see it in hand and a few more coins. Griffin listed 7 Major varieties of the 1876, none of which sound exactly like yours, but that's not surprising. He sometimes didn't list all the repunched letters/digits. What about the letters of "One" and "Cent" and the "O" in Victoria? Yours sounds the most like Griffin Gr-604c.
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 Posted 09/17/2009  02:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I agree that there is something about the 7. I think there would be even more

Yes--I think I see something under the 6 and 8 too...post new pics if you clean those areas. The broken line around the border is interesting, and this is common on Canadian large cents too, as well as the vine. I'm not sure if this is due to a filled die, or broken die tools. It would certainly be one of the first areas to fail on a tool that is repeatedly used to make dies.
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so I did a gentle wash with a baby toothbrush (super soft) and hot water with a tiny bit of mild dish soap. I was afraid to really rub at it so there is still some stuff on it but its better than it was. the 7 oddity was just dirt. lol

will be adding new pics in just a minute

if more are needed or different areas please let me know.

thanks for all the help, and opinions
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 Posted 09/18/2009  3:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The 7 mark was just dirt? Oh well...it doesn't hurt to check. The new pics are great!
With the broken border, I think a filled die is most likely. The N,E,F in NEWFOUNDLAND are sure interesting...what is happenning there? I really don't know if letters were punched individually, but if they were...that might explain those distorted letters.
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Im not too sure on that either. I know the newf is quite obvious from the pics, but there was also doubling on the U which shows out of focus and also in one cent but only certain letters. mainly the Es.

I have some running around to do but now that I am getting used to the new camera I will give a try at zooming in on specific areas to get a better look.

I love coins like this!
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Agreed--19C coins are my favorite for all the signs of hand-work on the dies.
While not a Canada coin, you might enjoy seeing this 1844 Half Farthing, where an "N" was mistakenly punched as in "RNGINA", then fixed with an overpunched "E":

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 Posted 09/18/2009  4:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add malissadawn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
oh wow! I want one please lol
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 Posted 09/18/2009  6:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add xshift to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Me too!

The coin 'cleaned' up well Malissa, and the new pictures are great. I'll be following along.. this is an interesting one
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 Posted 09/18/2009  7:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks! I found that coin at an antique shop...for only $1.25 It's a beauty! I'll post the whole coin.
After some research, I concluded every letter was punched independently in the die--the positions/angles vary for each obverse die.

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I'm greeeeeen with envy! You are a cherrypickin' thing....

Soooo.. if the letters on yours ere individually punched, does it stand to reason they were still doing that in 1876?



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 Posted 09/18/2009  10:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks And, that's a good question--I wish I had more UK coins to know the anser.
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