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Uncleaned Roman Coins - Anyone Clean Their Own?

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 Posted 01/23/2010  6:13 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add bwbollom to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Just thought I'd ask. I've only just started collecting a handful of months ago and didn't really think I'd want to try my hand at cleaning them. I started looking into it a little while back and figured I'd give it a shot. I won a couple of auctions last night, so now I just have to wait until they arrive and see what happens (after days/weeks/months/years of soaking, brushing, picking, etc).

I'm sure most will end up being somewhere between slugs and nothing much to look at, but eh...whatever. It seemed like a good idea at the time I made sure that all together, shipping and everything, I ended up paying about the price I'd be willing to pay for one coin normally, and I have 20 chances to play with these. Here's what I got if you'd like to see:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...160395494174
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...160395494429

So...anyone else take a stab at this? Or is this actually how any of you collect ancients? I'm curious...someone has to put in the work on all of these coins that are found and sold...I wonder who is doing it? Have you ever cleaned up anything good?

Thanks for looking!
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 Posted 01/23/2010  11:19 pm  Show Profile   Check wheatiefan's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add wheatiefan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have a handful of uncleaned coins. I've put a few through various stages of cleaning, but don't claim to be a pro. I've cleaned a few to the point that I can attribute them, and then stop. I'm interested in other people's advice, too.

If would bookmark FORVM ancient coins. They have an informative website, and even a message forum for uncleaned coins.

Another site I've found very helpful is by a fellow who refers to himself as S Capitis.

patience is a virtue,
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 Posted 01/23/2010  11:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
patience is a virtue,

...and I'm nowhere near virtuous enough to try it for myself. I'd much rather spend the extra cash and buy coins that have already been cleaned, by someone that probably enjoyed doing so much more than I would.
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 Posted 01/23/2010  11:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gawd0wns to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I bought "uncleaned" ancients a while ago, and I can't stress the importance of having patience. I gave up on cleaning coins after a few failed attempts, and put away the rest of my ancients for another day.

There are cleaning agents out there which can help dissolve and weaken dirt/grime, I found Gringgott's Wizard Mix to be helpful. There are also many tools out there to clean your coins, from brass and nylon bristled brushes, to dremmel bits (which I've read to be very effective, but never invested in).
I learned much of what I know from this forum, as well as the FORVM store website/forum.

Those coins in that link don't look very promising, though you never know what lies beneath the grime. In the past, I bought from this seller, with some very good results: http://stores.ebay.com/purseofthelegionary

The coins I did manage to clean are among my favorite, I believe collecting ancients is the most interesting type of coin collecting out there and well worth the effort. I will definitely go back to it in the future, time permitting.
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 Posted 01/24/2010  12:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bwbollom to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
wheatiefan:
One of the places I've been reading up on uncleaned Roman coins is FORVM...I definitely have that one bookmarked. Thanks for the S Capitis link...looks like some great info there! I wouldn't be surprised if I end up doing the same thing if these coins turn out to not be all that great. Get them to a point where I can attribute them (or not if they're horrible) and then set them aside. I can have a short attention span at times...

Sap:
I do have patience usually...but that goes along with the short attention span :) I'll likely get distracted easily and come back to the soaking coins a month or so later and check on them. I'm likely going to lean toward just buying cleaned ones in the future, but I thought I'd give this a shot at least once...

gawd0wns:
Thanks for the info on the tools, cleaning, etc. As for the coins I bought, like I said in my original post, I'm really not expecting much at all from them. I spent very little...about $1 each...just to take a chance and see what would happen. If I end up with nothing, well, them's the breaks :) If I end up with even one that gets added to my collection (even as a rough looking example), it'll be worth the $20 I spent.

I did look at the auctions/BINs of Purse of the Legionary and actually bid on a few before winning the ones that I did. I really like the look of the coins they are auctioning. The problem is, they were regularly going for well out of my price range, and with them being located in Canada, the shipping was already kind of high for something I was just taking a beginner's chance on. If it turns out that I enjoy this at all, I'll definitely look at their lots again, but I just wasn't ready to drop the kind of money that the lots I bid on were going for.

Thanks for the responses!
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 Posted 01/24/2010  08:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I buy lots of uncleaned coins and clean them myself, I enjoy the process. This is a method that I use as was posted in an earlier post on the same subject.

https://goccf.com/t/50409#399765
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 Posted 01/24/2010  08:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nohope587 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have about 50 of them so far they are on year 3 in olive oil. About every six moths I will pull them out rinse them off and put them back in. They have mostly gone from unidentifiable slugs to maybe coins. I figure another five or so years and I will be able to identify them.
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 Posted 01/24/2010  11:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pls to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You'll be hooked. Just keep in mind, as nohope587 indicated (now I know where that handle came from, lol), that 99 94/100 of the cleaning time is soaking time. Don't overclean.
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 Posted 01/24/2010  11:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bwbollom to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
echizento:
Thanks for the link and info! What do you use to ultrasound the coins?

nohope587:
3 years already? WOW!

pls:
Yes...soaking...I'm already gathering containers. We'll see how it goes
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Just an update...the coins arrived today! Here's how they looked upon arrival...pretty much as they appeared in the auction pics:
Uncleaned-Roman-Coins---Anyone-Clean-Their-Own?

Did an initial soak and brushing to remove the top layer of dirt and whatnot and here's what I currently have:
Uncleaned-Roman-Coins---Anyone-Clean-Their-Own?

Not the greatest bunch of tiny, crusty coins ever, but out of the 20, just after the initial little bit of work, it looks like at least 1/4 of them will likely be attributable. The rest either look doubtful or have too much caked on stuff to tell at this point.
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 Posted 02/10/2010  07:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Agosos to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I bought 30 a few years back,6 monthsish into cleaning my father handed them to me saying "I cleaned em up for ya"inside the container were 30 shiny pieces of copper and a steel wool pad,i didnt have the heart to say anything,just thanked him and went on my way.
I did buy more though,like the other guys said,if you have the patience for it youll find it addictive.I find it pretty relaxing to.
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 Posted 02/10/2010  12:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Archraz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very interesting topic. I have always wanted to try this, but I just worry that it would take forever. I realize that the length of time varies by coin, but based upon your experiences what is the average time it takes to clean an ancient by use of olive oil?
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5-8 years just using oil and rinsing
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There is a method that metal detectorists(is that a word?) use that involves heating hydrogen peroxide in the microwave & dropping the coins in. You might try a web search for details & to see the results.
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 Posted 02/12/2010  11:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Archraz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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heating hydrogen peroxide in the microwave


trdhrdr007- that sounds really dangerous since I presume that fumes from hydrogen peroxide should be avoided.

Just what did people do back in, say, the 19th century? Just olive oil over 5-8 years?
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 Posted 02/13/2010  9:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Lots of interesting info. I've always wanted to try a few uncleaned ancients (coins that is). Does anyone have a seller they would recommend ?
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