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This move by the Feds will undoubtedly create a black market. A lot of dealers who previously were above board will find creative ways to circumvent this new law. For instance a layaway plan could break up one purchase into several separate payments not necessarily tracking what the original purchase was for. For instance if the client was well known to the dealer any number of creative receipt trimming methods could be employed. Cash purchases in my experience are not recorded by all dealers. Every piece of gold or silver that I have purchased from my dealer has been tax-free and unrecorded. I think this will most likely affect ebay transactions or other internet sellers more than anything else. It all depends upon how fervently the Feds want to pursue transactions. As usual they will probably use this as another excuse to employ more family members of current Federal employees.
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It's not due to kick in until 01/01/2012. If and when it does, transactions over $600 must be documented on IRS Form 1099 when buying/selling to a business.

Can anyone else see a huge wave of $599 PM specials coming? OK, so it's one per customer, so round up all the family & friends to buy as much as you want.


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Show me where the gubmint confiscated gold from anyone other than the banks. Didn't happen.

No, it didn't. What DID happen, though, was that private gold ownership was prohibited and punishable by law. Like a horse tied to a rail with a couple of wraps of the reins, a lot of people thought they should turn in their gold and did so. Those who did not, got a nice 70% boost in the price of their gold holdings. Selling it might have been a bit tricky, though.
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I was under the impression that the legislation to repeal this requirement was pretty much a done deal. Can anyone confirm or deny that?
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The question is this. If the government did know that you owned gold and kept a record of it in some shape then would they mine those records and notify you if they outlawed gold possesion agan?


They'd try. Lots of boating accidents, thefts, etc.
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 Posted 05/31/2011  4:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Monkey trap: tied-down jar of grapes.
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This move by the Feds will undoubtedly create a black market.

True.


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A lot of dealers who previously were above board will find creative ways to circumvent this new law.

No problem, they won't run a coin biz from the Graybar Hilton.


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For instance a layaway plan could break up one purchase into several separate payments not necessarily tracking what the original purchase was for. For instance if the client was well known to the dealer any number of creative receipt trimming methods could be employed
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I'll quote a pawnbroker friend who has been asked to make "little" exceptions to the rules: "See that license? It's worth MANY TIMES its weight in gold. I'm not going to risk it and my job to save someone else a few bucks."


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Cash purchases in my experience are not recorded by all dealers. Every piece of gold or silver that I have purchased from my dealer has been tax-free and unrecorded.

When such a law came in effect, part of the law would require such records. It would be very simple to send someone in for a cash deal, followed by LE wanting to see the records. Catch someone several times, steal everything he owns via RICO.

I personally know not one, but two reputable dealers* who did federal prison time over the existing $10,000 cash reporting law. One basically took cash out of the bank for a show, and returned it later. He had records of transactions, but not always the names who paid him cash.

That law, and this potential one, have a line about "structuring". If a customer cashes his paycheck and pays cash for $1000 in silver a month, in a year, he's over the $10,000 (new law $600) limit, and if the dealer didn't report it, he's in violation.

*One, perhaps both, were PNG, one recently was ANA Numismatist of the Year.


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I think this will most likely affect ebay transactions or other internet sellers more than anything else. It all depends upon how fervently the Feds want to pursue transactions.


Sure, because ebay has every transaction on file, and thus very easy to check.


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As usual they will probably use this as another excuse to employ more family members of current Federal employees.

More likely rewards to party faithful.
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BTW, unless someone can correct me, this 1099 law will not happen. It's been thrown out with the health bill.
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BTW, unless someone can correct me, this 1099 law will not happen. It's been thrown out with the health bill.

I'm pretty sure that the 1099 law got snipped out. I remember the Dems saying that this was a bad thing and it needed to go. Of course, they were the ones who put it in there in the 1st place. It wasn't until a wave of complaints rolled over DC that most politicians decided that it was more trouble than it was worth.

As to the health care law... AFAIK, it was signed into law and then one federal judge in VA declared it unconstitutional. It is wending its way through the appellate courts at this time. A number of people have suggested that it get fast-tracked to the USSC but the Obama regime will not support that and the USSC will not grab the case from a lower court until after the lower court has ruled on it. Everyone knows that the appellate court ruling WILL be appealed, no matter which way it goes, so this seems like nothing but a great waste of time and money to a lot of us out here in the trenches. I suppose that the political types on the left are hoping to pack another lib onto the USSC before it gets the case.
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Yep, I reported it here:

https://goccf.com/t/85955&SearchTerms=1099

Obomber signed it a couple days later.

http://www.coinworld.com/articles/o...-repeal-law/
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