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| A Cob Is It Real Or A Later Forgery>
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realeswatcher
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 Posted 02/08/2023 3:37 pm
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Not great pics. A little mushy and not much patina, which sort of raises the antennae some for a cast repro (lots of "Atocha era" casts out there - this later assayer B, CA. 1600, falls in that period)... but nothing overtly obvious. Decent chance of being genuine, but wouldn't offer a concrete opinion from just this. Weight plus more/better pics.
PS - Obviously rather round and a pretty nice strike... but that's not necessarily suspicious as a decent amount of Potosi of this era come this way. |
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| 1733 Spanish Reales Authenticity Identification
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realeswatcher
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Posted 01/30/2023 6:25 pm
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A cast replica of a Mexico 1733 klippe dies 8 Reales - see compared to a previously observed example below.
Note that it is indeed a repro of an 8 rather than a 4, despite the very low weight (13g minus the bezel vs. the ~27g weight as made for a genuine example)... the denomination is clear on the other piece.
Study genuine examples, then come back and look at these - should start to become clear.
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| 8 Reales Authentication Needed
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realeswatcher
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Posted 01/25/2023 7:36 pm
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Zs (Zacatecas) mint, 1829-1833 or so by style... and indeed it is a Contemporary Counterfeit (meaning of the period). Appears to be a lower fineness silver alloy from its look.
Interesting find. Am I seeing correctly that this Camp Chase was(is) Columbus, OH? |
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| Heritage Auctions Selling Contemporary Circulating Counterfeit 8 Reales
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realeswatcher
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Posted 01/22/2023 07:48 am
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John, as I noted above, this 1816 is a rather frequently observed piece... read the thread I linked back to. Bob thinks it's modern... I see and understand his technical points, but common sense evidence may say otherwise:
http://goccf.com/t/345087
coincommunity.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=345087
Regarding Heritage's policy, this is one piece mixed in a Weekly auction... not necessarily sure this signals a big change. I recall seeing a few one-offs before.
They DO, of course, handle Machin's Mills, Blacksmiths... but of course those are better attributed/attested series.
Notably, though, they also DO sell contemporary counterfeit 8 Escudos. The price point, I would assume, is the driving factor in making that acceptable.
This one went for song buried in the weekly before Xmas... mad I missed it:
https://coins.ha.com/itm/chile/worl...ption-071515 |
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| Counterfeits Of Cast Silver Sud - Any Pictures?
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realeswatcher
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Posted 01/19/2023 9:43 pm
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Quick thoughts:
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These are DANGEROUS.
Yup!
The Stack's 1812 I accept... The eBay 1813 I accept.
The eBay 1812 (from the same seller as the 1813, a legit collector of Mex. WOI from past observation)... lips to ears, I have no concrete opinion on. I find those discrete large pores a bit too much to accept... but there does seem to be some variety in what seemingly legit 1812-dated output presents like.
In reviewing/comparing that piece, found a couple other pieces slabbed by PCGS - attempting to be cast, not struck, SUD but vastly different styles - that I find (with supporting evidence) to be garbage. Will post in more detail when I get the chance.
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| Whew! Its Only An 1816 & Not 1815! Nyitl Is Still A Go .
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realeswatcher
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Posted 01/15/2023 2:56 pm
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Both are scarce, but I don't track/follow these closely enough to say specifically. A quick ACsearch shows... *EDIT* about the same amount of appearances for both dates (hyperlinks won't show correctly, copy/paste each string):
acsearch.info/search.html?term=1815+(chih+chihuahua+"Ca"+CaRP+"RP"+"RP")+"8+reales"&category=1-2
acsearch.info/search.html?term=1822+(chih+chihuahua+"Ca"+CaRP+"RP"+"RP")+"8+reales"&category=1-2 |
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| Whew! Its Only An 1816 & Not 1815! Nyitl Is Still A Go .
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realeswatcher
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Posted 01/14/2023 2:59 pm
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John, definitely HAVE seen the 1816 Ca (wishfully?) confused for the 1815 (this is an issue on other War of Independence emissions also)... but I think this might actually be a 5.
-- First, we look at the top of the digit in question - it's definitively flat, and then cuts down at a pointed angle. I have assumed that a 6/5 overdate exists besides just a "plain 6", as you see some specimens that look pretty plainly like an edited 5. Either way, I think this die began its life as an "1815".
-- Then, looking at the all-important lower left portion... It looks like we have a defined break there, forming the tail of a 5 rather than a closed loop of a 6. It doesn't look like any strike weakness or planchet flaw is obscuring that exact spot.
-- Aside from looking at the digit itself, it's of course near impossible to compare other die diagnostics due to the nature of the coinage.
I wouldn't bet my life on it... and I know some other definite 1815 dates look a bit different (with the 5 spread out further from the 1). Would be nice to find another example with matching placement where the digit(s) are crisper.
This happens to be an aesthetically more pleasing example as the overstrike was applied strongly with the new bust displaying nearly unobstructed.
Good study coin!
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| An Unabashed Cast Counterfeit 1787 68-W NJ Colonial Or Am I Nuts?
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realeswatcher
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Posted 12/23/2022 10:03 pm
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| Also, grouchy, since an important factor for you is that other NJ pieces there seem to be of the same ilk... let's have the item numbers (just copy paste the actual numbers, don't link). The suggestion is already out there, so let's just get to it. No one cares enough to dig through his 200+ Jersey copper listings... let alone at Christmas. |
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| An Unabashed Cast Counterfeit 1787 68-W NJ Colonial Or Am I Nuts?
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realeswatcher
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Posted 12/23/2022 08:04 am
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-- The piece "may" have retoned/been retoned a one point... or that could just be lighting. I would lean towards retoned at some point. Either way, that doesn't really mean prove or suggest anything about the piece's age/origin.
-- The thing that strikes me is how mushy/blobbish the raised design elements are (e.g., legend lettering). From that, I would lean towards a cast. If, say, a George II halfpenny presented like this, one would immediately call it a cast contemporary counterfeit.
Even if cast rather than "regal", I don't see that it has to be a modern numismatic fake. Those scratches (both the large older ones and the smaller ones that maybe could be a bit newer) could have happened organically... from circulation, from the ground, from bouncing around in a junk box. And again, recoloring, retoning, etc. is so common on cleaned ground-find copper.
Now, whether other pieces offered alongside this piece may in totality point to a certain conclusion... would really have to analyze each piece, no?
Question - how common are cast contemporary counterfeits of NJ coppers? |
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