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Old Post Posted Yesterday   11:40 am
Bank of Upper Canada half penny token 1854


USA quarter dollar 1854
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Guess The Price - Season 83 - Round 4
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Old Post Posted 02/03/2023  6:35 pm

$490

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Yet Another Forum Game - Numismatic Go Fish!
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Old Post Posted 02/03/2023  4:57 pm
1843 Nova Scotia halfpenny token

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How Far Back Can We Go? Sixth Edition! We Need - 1452 C. E. (A. H. 856) -
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Old Post Posted 02/02/2023  9:09 pm
I think I found an AH855 coin. Will update when it arrives.

Last year I was decided I wanted to start branching out into medieval coins. Apparently I collect Islamic coins now. I like how a lot of the coins from this period can be found with decent details, are often dated, and have some weight to them. They don't feel like they will break or fly away like some of the European hammered coins I have.
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Old Post Posted 02/02/2023  11:56 am
Here is another Jaunpur tanka dated AH857, GG# J12


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Old Post Posted 02/01/2023  9:56 pm
USA 1 cent 1857

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Old Post Posted 02/01/2023  3:42 pm

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I almost said that this is 849 but I looked it up, and indeed apparently their 5 looks like ε (which is of course a later 4 shape) while their 4 looks like (mirrored) φ.
(On Ottoman coins of that period the 5 is a B shape. There's a lot of variety in these early Eastern Arabic digits. Unfortunately I've never seen a good historical comparison.)

Then there's 6... I agree, this is probably a 9 but I'd want to see it in hand before trying to guess anything for sure from those pics.


Now that you say it, I can also see it possibly being a 6 with weird shadows due to lighting. We'll see when I have it in hand.

I have found the comparison section of the Arabic numerals Wikipedia article to be somewhat helpful https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_numerals

Here's the relevant screen clip from that article.


I can tell you what I've observed from looking at a lot of coins. When learning to read dates on these Islamic era coins, the 4 and 5 were what really threw me off. As you said, the 5 here looks like the modern eastern Arabic 4 you might expect. The 5 will also appear in the orientation where it looks like a w, sometimes with the tales elongated and curved somewhat inward. If you look at the Persian or Urdu digits, you will see how this is a 5.

The 4 is often depicted as you described, but can also look like my example for AH864, differentiated from a squared-off 2 by the outward curved tail. I've also seen variations in between (loop with the tail). These styles differ even from the modern 4s above. Until very recently, I hadn't seen the Persian style of 4 on a coin from this period. I can't recall the exact coin (I think I saved the reference. I'll check later) but I remember the date as 9*4.

The other 5 related confusion comes with how 0 is written. From modern script, you would expect 0 to be a dot, but I have mostly seen it as an open o, which could be confused for a modern 5.

I've only very recently become confident in reading the dates, so I haven't yet paid attention to whether the script variations are regional, regnal, or at the discretion of the die maker.

Again, this is mostly just observation from looking at a lot of coins and confirming with other dated examples. I am not an expert.

It's also unfortunate that it seems the forum does not support the Arabic characters

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Old Post Posted 01/31/2023  9:40 pm
Sultans of Juanpur billon tanka AH859 (pretty sure) GG# J12


This one is en route. Seller's pics. I wanted to wait to post until we were already moving back since I don't have it in hand yet and I'm not 100% sure about the 9. I can't see it as anything else, but
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Additional Help With 1 Falus Malwa M87B
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Old Post Posted 01/30/2023  6:38 pm
Date is in the bottom left of your second picture. I can't make it out. Maybe AH904?
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Old Post Posted 01/28/2023  2:06 pm

$100
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How Far Back Can We Go? Sixth Edition! We Need - 1452 C. E. (A. H. 856) -
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Old Post Posted 01/25/2023  5:34 pm
I have AH 854, 848, and 836.

Edit: I also have an AH 814 (or possibly 819) coin on its way. I should be able to determine once I have it in hand (date partially off flan)
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Old Post Posted 01/25/2023  12:30 am
New Brunswick one cent 1864


USA 2 cents 1864
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Old Post Posted 01/24/2023  4:19 pm
Finland 10 penniš 1865

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Old Post Posted 01/24/2023  11:19 am
Thailand 10 baht 1996

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Old Post Posted 01/22/2023  8:09 pm

$1111
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Yet Another Forum Game - Numismatic Go Fish!
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Old Post Posted 01/22/2023  8:05 pm
Dorado wins!
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How Far Back Can We Go? Sixth Edition! We Need - 1452 C. E. (A. H. 856) -
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Old Post Posted 01/22/2023  7:58 pm

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I apologize, hadn't realized you didn't get it!


No problem. Apparently I wasn't very clear about that. I was just concerned I was unknowingly holding up the progress
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Old Post Posted 01/22/2023  2:14 pm

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I know you have an AH 863, so post that for now, I guess?

Oh, is everyone waiting on me?! That coin I posted a while back was seller's pics. I ended up not purchasing that one.

My next one is AH 857 (1453). I think I have three more after that until we'll be stuck again.
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Old Post Posted 01/21/2023  10:39 pm
Are we actually stuck already? I thought we were good for a few more years, and potentially all the way to 1435, assuming @january1may was able to date his coin to AH 856. I didn't know I should be searching for AH 862 as well. Lol
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Old Post Posted 01/20/2023  6:24 pm
USA 3 cents 1869

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