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Almost Started A Riot At USPS Mailing Coins

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 Posted 12/17/2011  1:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Lobby to your friends list
The exact same thing happened this morning at a local post office. A guy had printed his shipping label at home and placed it on a very thick, padded envelope. Wanting to make sure the postage was right, he waited in line to ask an agent.

She told him the package thickness wasn't right and needed to charge him more than he'd paid for.

He asked for a supervisor and she was more reasonable.


I don't think it was the agent's fault. I think this is a directive from upper management to enforce their rules.

But the rules are so blasted complex that a regular guy doesn't understand them. And when one is shipping a bunch of boxes as part of a business, having simpler rules is a needed optimization they must do.
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 Posted 12/17/2011  2:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Yass to your friends list
In Australia, the thicker the envelope the higher the cost. Seems strange that a parcel that takes up more room and/or weight is cheaper.
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 Posted 12/17/2011  9:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jaobler to your friends list
I use plain 6X9" Kraft envelopes and sandwich my coin(s) between two thick pieces of corrugated cardboard which I salvage from old boxes. With the cardboard plus receipt and packaging tape the final package thickness seems OK to our local Post Office. Total weight is almost always 3 oz or less so the PayPal shipping cost with delivery confirmation is $1.75. That's the most cost-effective method I've found.
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 Posted 12/17/2011  9:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add VisigothKing to your friends list
Is that why some of my coins come encased in cutouts of cereal boxes and tissue paper boxes? I just thought those were to protect them while in transit.
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 Posted 12/17/2011  9:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add collect4fun to your friends list
Yass, you hit the nail on the head. Now you understand how our government works. If it is a stupid plan, they go with it.....

I too always throw a couple packing peanuts into the envelope to "puff it up"
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 Posted 12/18/2011  2:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Lobby to your friends list

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I use plain 6X9" Kraft envelopes and sandwich my coin(s) between two thick pieces of corrugated cardboard which I salvage from old boxes. With the cardboard plus receipt and packaging tape the final package thickness seems OK to our local Post Office. Total weight is almost always 3 oz or less so the PayPal shipping cost with delivery confirmation is $1.75. That's the most cost-effective method I've found.


Good idea, Jaobler.
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 Posted 12/18/2011  6:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NicO to your friends list
I ship exactly how you do, Jaobler. Using corrugated cardboard is excellent for protection during shipping and it also bumps up the envelope to the right thickness. I only pay $1.75 for First Class Mail with Delivery Confirmation as well. Obviously it gets more expensive as you add insurance and move up to priority shipping for higher valued coins, but in the end, there really is no better way to ship.
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 Posted 12/19/2011  09:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list

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Seems strange that a parcel that takes up more room and/or weight is cheaper.


It's all about the Delivery Confirmation Yass. It's not allowed on First Class flats, which is anything under 3/4" thick. It's allowed on any Priority package. So if a First Class flat package with DC is discovered along the way, the DC becomes technically invalid. So they upgrade it to Priority, which instantly makes the DC valid... but also makes it postage due because of the difference in price between First Class and Priority.
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 Posted 12/19/2011  2:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list
I've been told this 3/4" rule a couple times in the past. However, now I'm friends with ALL of the PO workers and they don't say a word to me anymore. LOL I've never had a problem down the line. I personally think once it gets past the "first line" it never gets checked again.
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 Posted 12/21/2011  7:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hesgut to your friends list
An update to my original story.

Both of the buyers that received my packages with bush sticks in them apparently thought that it was hilarious and both have given me positive with 5 stars.

On subsequent packages I have shoved useless newspaper into my padded envelopes. My packages look like balloons. Whatever, costs $5 less to ship an awkward balloon than a nice smooth padded envelope.
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 Posted 12/21/2011  7:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yankee1227 to your friends list
At least they have a sense of humor!
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 Posted 12/22/2011  10:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list

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On subsequent packages I have shoved useless newspaper into my padded envelopes... Whatever, costs $5 less to ship an awkward balloon than a nice smooth padded envelope.
That useless newspaper is now extra protection for the shipment. I see it as a win for everyone involved.
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 Posted 12/22/2011  4:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pls to your friends list

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But the rules are so blasted complex that a regular guy doesn't understand them


Complex and numerous and open to interpretation by each postal clerk (as we've seen in this thread), or maybe just ignored by many. The "rule" book is over two inches thick. How would YOU like to have such a rule book in YOUR job to use and follow?

For 22+ years I mailed a Reader's Digest-sized mag averaging 24 pages per issue and prepared it, according to the rules, for first-class ruling, with clear "First-Class" markings on it.

Imagine my choice of language when one mailing disappeared around Christmastime, only to turn up in a warehouse in Kansas City a month later - apparently because some dufus didn't read the labels on the mailing carton and assumed that the magazine was a fourth-class mailing and sent it to mail heck to wait out the rush season.

So, yeah - the way the USPS is set up now, it takes only ONE moron to screw up a mailing, in spite of the thousands of hard-working, helpful, courteous employees who go out of their way to try to get your stuff from point A to point B.
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 Posted 12/23/2011  10:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list

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How would YOU like to have such a rule book in YOUR job to use and follow?

I work in a hospital and we do. And it is bigger than 2 inches.

When I was installing carpet we bid on a couple of government jobs. They give you a list of specs for the job that are that large. That's one reason why everything the government buys costs so much. All the extra work that has to be done to certify that you have complied with all the specs gets added onto the price.
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12/23/2011 11:02 am
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 Posted 12/24/2011  07:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fmtaxguy to your friends list
I used to work for IRS (now I work for the good guys...) Our rule books filled over 38000 pages. They were the Internal Revenue Code and the US Treasury Regulations. Thank goodness for the Paperwork Reduction Act passed in the 1980s.

I have yet to have any problems with a bubble envelope when I buy and label online through ebay. As has been pointed out, First Class with Delivery Confirmation is only $1.75. It's dropped in the drive-through mailbox, and, when picked up, goes directly to the processing center. There has never once been a problem.
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