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someone back in one of the topics mentioned about what is a cleaned coin..So if a coin is in pocket and rubs its cleaned ? if someone wipes it its cleaned ? or rinses under or in hot soapy water again cleaned ? and what about dipping is that not cleaned aswell ? Just saying folks, when a pic is blown up that large super small imperfection will show and dont forget to what degree has the coin been cleaned ? we dont know .. The toning looks original so maybe it was wiped .I have myself in my collection coins that have been clearly cleaned but were not noted as such so again what and how would they determine - note it as cleaned?
Im sure we all have coins that id put under the big glass would show signs of this somewhere in the past right ?
maybe we should have a topic just on Cleaned or something to this effect.. what do you think.... oh and 54dollarcoin have you seen a nicer 1885 ? I think not its one of the hardest to find in decent shape as most appear to have very weak rev.and obv sides... Just look at the ICCS F15 listed its nowhere this nice ..just my opinion
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Why are you so invested in your opinion of this coin? If you like it, buy it. I would pass on it except at a VERY low price. You seem to think it was lightly rubbed. That's your opinion and you are certainly entitled to it. I think it was harshly cleaned and obviously so. That's my opinion. The fact that there aren't nicer ones on ebay doesn't change the fact that this is a problem coin and will always remain so. Edited by Senex
10/21/2012 12:56 pm
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to each his own as they say ... You are entitled to think what you want ...And is this forum not here to discuss things so why are you so critical of what I say ? Further more where did I say it was rubbed ..I merely asked a question read it again ...I quote myself " So if a coin is in pocket and rubs its cleaned ? if someone wipes it its cleaned ? or rinses under or in hot soapy water again cleaned ? and what about dipping is that not cleaned aswell ? Just saying folks, when a pic is blown up that large super small imperfection will show and dont forget to what degree has the coin been cleaned ?
As you can see Senex I am asking a question not making a statement...
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And is this forum not here to discuss things so why are you so critical of what I say ? Critical? Not at all. I just disagree with your assessment of this coin as "a super nice example". |
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:) no prob. That's why its called a forum...Well Senex if you know the 1885 quarter series as well as I do , you would know that not to many coins show up with full rev & obv. in tact...Most have worn dates or both...This is my reference to : super nice & the toning as well .....Most that I have come across are all cleaned and bright you know the type , ..A coin this old will not be bright , there's dirt ect.....
But if you notice the listing the seller did post a question I asked about the cleaned issue
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Dipping is not cleaning.
'Cleaning' means a moderate to strong 'rub' with some kind of abrasive cloth leaving definite hairlines or 'grooves'.
This coin is obviously 'cleaned'.
I wouldn't buy it because it is a problem coin.
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10/21/2012 2:41 pm
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Curious , if you dip a coin are you not removing some of the original surface Hence cleaned ? It is no longer original , it has been tampered with so why would it not be considered cleaned ?
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Fellow posters , I think Art is seriously talking himself into buying a problem coin. To answer your question Art yes I have seen and owned much better in 1885 25 cents. In the last year have sold a no problem original ICCS VF 20 and a pretty light grey original raw F 15. Generally speaking when we talk about cleaned coins we mean abrasively cleaned not dipped or soaked in sudsy ammonia. This coin does have evidence of abrasive cleaning from the pix. It is in no way a premium example. If you want a nice 1885 wait! They do come along. Patience is a virtue in numismatics. Have fun and remember one little snippet of advice when it comes to RARE coins, pleasing examples will not only make you happy, when sold it will make the next owner happy as well. Problem coins just make you miserable in the end.
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Fellow posters , I think Art is seriously talking himself into buying a problem coin. To answer your question Art yes I have seen and owned much better in 1885 25 cents. In the last year have sold a no problem original ICCS VF 20 and a pretty light grey original raw F 15. Generally speaking when we talk about cleaned coins we mean abrasively cleaned not dipped or soaked in sudsy ammonia. This coin does have evidence of abrasive cleaning from the pix. It is in no way a premium example. If you want a nice 1885 wait! They do come along. Patience is a virtue in numismatics. Have fun and remember one little snippet of advice when it comes to RARE coins, pleasing examples will not only make you happy, when sold it will make the next owner happy as well. Problem coins just make you miserable in the end.
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Patience! Personally would rather have a G example problem free....but to each his own. |
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Art, if you consider dipping to be cleaning and therefore a 'problem coin', then 90% of brilliant white coins pre 1950 should be bodybagged as such.
I remember going to coin shows in Toronto in the mid 1970's and you couldn't find a toned coin in the whole room because dipping coins to get blast white coins was the rage back then.
Dealers were dipping coins behind their showcases during the show!
A true untouched silver coin from the early 1900's would almost be black today due to the natural processes of tarnishing.
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I agree , so in reality dipping is then a cleaned coin.... This is all I was getting at .... I was reading an article from a coin place and in there they say that all methods are cleaned..
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whats with the cartoon ? If we are getting personal I would advise not to ...
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I think this one has gone far enough. Opinions have been given and none of them are going to change.  |
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